Small springs and short shocks???

[nomad]

Bud English posted a change he had made to his +2 a while back. He had sourced adjustable spring perches and springs from E-bay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165686383920?f ... R_C7qNW5YQ
And 100# springs that he sourced from E-bay as well. These were 14" springs and apparently have just disappeared. I'm sure I can find others.

Anyway, I'm wondering about appropriate spring rate, and length for my S1. Also some insight into exactly where to place the spring platforms on the shocks.

Then.....Planning on taking apart a set of Spax shocks and lengthening the stops inside of them for use with CV joints. Perhaps that should be separate discussion.

Soooo, what say the group??
Kurt

[Craven]

Fundamentals say if you want to keep the supple ride of the Elan you need long springs. You can’t get around this theory look at it any which way you like its fact, you need long springs.

[nomad]

Fundamentals say if you want to keep the supple ride of the Elan you need long springs. You can’t get around this theory look at it any which way you like its fact, you need long springs.

OK, those springs that Bud used were 100# and 14" springs. I was thinking the same springs but 80# for an S1 Elan. Then, wondering where the perches should be placed. Someone who has bought the commercial setups would be nice to converse with. Don't imagine folks selling those kits to be all that conducive to me picking their brains seeing as how I am bypassing them.

Kurt

[berni29]

Fundamentals say if you want to keep the supple ride of the Elan you need long springs. You can’t get around this theory look at it any which way you like its fact, you need long springs.

Hi

As a reasonably longstanding Lotus elan +2 driver I have always subscribed to this theory. So when I revised the suspension on my Porsche 993 I wanted to run standard spring rates, but at the "sport" height. This is lower than standard. Porsche sell shorter standard rate springs for this purpose. So I put on a system with adjustable spring perches and ran the longer standard springs but at "sport" height.

Berni

[nomad]

Fundamentals say if you want to keep the supple ride of the Elan you need long springs. You can’t get around this theory look at it any which way you like its fact, you need long springs.

Hi

As a reasonably longstanding Lotus elan +2 driver I have always subscribed to this theory. So when I revised the suspension on my Porsche 993 I wanted to run standard spring rates, but at the "sport" height. This is lower than standard. Porsche sell shorter standard rate springs for this purpose. So I put on a system with adjustable spring perches and ran the longer standard springs but at "sport" height.

Berni

So if you were running them at "sport" height I am assuming that you were running long springs at a low spring rate so they would compress to the height you wanted. I am hoping to get some insight on what that rate and height would end up at on a S1 Elan.
Kurt

[nomad]

So this is the spring I'm thinking of buying:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385178444422?h ... BMrtj6mrph

Somewhere I read stock spring rate front and back. Seems that 80 would be a little stiffer than stock.

Kurt

[berni29]

Fundamentals say if you want to keep the supple ride of the Elan you need long springs. You can’t get around this theory look at it any which way you like its fact, you need long springs.

Hi

As a reasonably longstanding Lotus elan +2 driver I have always subscribed to this theory. So when I revised the suspension on my Porsche 993 I wanted to run standard spring rates, but at the "sport" height. This is lower than standard. Porsche sell shorter standard rate springs for this purpose. So I put on a system with adjustable spring perches and ran the longer standard springs but at "sport" height.

Berni

So if you were running them at "sport" height I am assuming that you were running long springs at a low spring rate so they would compress to the height you wanted. I am hoping to get some insight on what that rate and height would end up at on a S1 Elan.
Kurt

Hi Kurt

I just ran the standard springs at a lower perch/platform height to give the same ride height as the shorter standard rate springs which is the other way to achieve the same height on a non adjustable suspension. If that makes sense.

All the best

Berni

[Craven]

Required pre-load would reduce your fitted spring length to about 7 inches, I would think this would leave very little free movement before spring binding occurring on bump.

[nomad]

Berni, yes, that seems logical.

Craven, very good point!
I'm afraid that I am in a trial and error mode with this.

Kurt

[mbell]

Why not just buy the springs from somewhere like ttr?

While not original they offer springs that are proven to work reasonably well.

[nomad]

Why not just buy the springs from somewhere like ttr?

While not original they offer springs that are proven to work reasonably well.

Well, of course you are right, the idea was to save a buck but that is a better plan than me doing the experimentation.

Kurt

[Bud English]

That's great advice and the price is very reasonable. I would have gone that route if I'd known about them at the time. Unfortunately 2-1/4" springs won't fit the perches that I installed.