Confused with front brakes (Girling Type 16)

[Arizon]

Hi,

After ordering new front brake pads for my S4 Sprint, EBC DP114
The mechanic told me that these pads are not fitting my brakes.

I took a photo of the calipers and I see that they are Girling Type 16 with the reference 64326047

Is the Girling Type 16 what the Elan +2 have fitted as standard?
Do anybody knows what is the EBC pads reference for these calipers, or any other brand?

Thanks

[Arizon]

This is a photo of the calipers

[StressCraxx]

Yes, someone upgraded the brakes from 14LF to the 16. A good upgrade for tracking. The +2 pads are available from your usual suppliers.

[alan.barker]

Check the dia of brake pad retaining pins.
There are 2 different dias available.
Also threads Metric or Imperial.
Alan

[661]

Hi,

After ordering new front brake pads for my S4 Sprint, EBC DP114
The mechanic told me that these pads are not fitting my brakes.

I took a photo of the calipers and I see that they are Girling Type 16 with the reference 64326047

Is the Girling Type 16 what the Elan +2 have fitted as standard?
Do anybody knows what is the EBC pads reference for these calipers, or any other brand?

Thanks

Lucky lad!
I think the +2 caliper on the front of the Elan is a good improvement, especially if there's no servo.
I have the green stuff pads , +2 calipers and no servo.
I would not use the green stuff again and would look at alternatives, probably mintex. They fade on the road under spirited conditions.

[draenog]

Check the dia of brake pad retaining pins.
There are 2 different dias available.
Also threads Metric or Imperial.
Alan

The earlier Imperial calipers had 1/4" pins, while the Metric ones were smaller at 3/16". SJ Sportscars sell Greenstuff pads in both sizes (I received a 1/4" set today).

[fatboyoz]

Hi Graeme,
Other than the +2 calipers and mounting brackets, what else is required for the conversion to the larger brakes.
Cheers,
Colin.




quote="661"]

Hi,

After ordering new front brake pads for my S4 Sprint, EBC DP114
The mechanic told me that these pads are not fitting my brakes.

I took a photo of the calipers and I see that they are Girling Type 16 with the reference 64326047

Is the Girling Type 16 what the Elan +2 have fitted as standard?
Do anybody knows what is the EBC pads reference for these calipers, or any other brand?

Thanks

Lucky lad!
I think the +2 caliper on the front of the Elan is a good improvement, especially if there's no servo.
I have the green stuff pads , +2 calipers and no servo.
I would not use the green stuff again and would look at alternatives, probably mintex. They fade on the road under spirited conditions.[/quote]

[661]

Let's be clear, there's not a lot wrong with the standard brakes in my view.
But, the +2 pad area is greater and I don't believe it upsets the balance using the +2 calipers and the standard master cylinder.
I really much prefer the non assisted brakes ( and have had servo's fail x 2)
To answer your question, in addition to the calipers and mounting plates, +2 dust shields and +2 discs.

I found this from Spyder in 2015:
+2 front caliper 2 £60.00 Each

+2 front caliper mounting brackets 2 £25.00 each

+2 front caliper dust shields 2 £15.00 each

The discs were Kelsport dimpled but I can't find a receipt for them

Hi Graeme,
Other than the +2 calipers and mounting brackets, what else is required for the conversion to the larger brakes.
Cheers,
Colin.




quote="661"]

Hi,

After ordering new front brake pads for my S4 Sprint, EBC DP114
The mechanic told me that these pads are not fitting my brakes.

I took a photo of the calipers and I see that they are Girling Type 16 with the reference 64326047

Is the Girling Type 16 what the Elan +2 have fitted as standard?
Do anybody knows what is the EBC pads reference for these calipers, or any other brand?

Thanks

Lucky lad!
I think the +2 caliper on the front of the Elan is a good improvement, especially if there's no servo.
I have the green stuff pads , +2 calipers and no servo.
I would not use the green stuff again and would look at alternatives, probably mintex. They fade on the road under spirited conditions.

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[Arizon]

Check the dia of brake pad retaining pins.
There are 2 different dias available.
Also threads Metric or Imperial.
Alan

Hi,

There is any way to see with my photos is they are Metric or Imperial?
There is also marked 7M in one side (I did not mentioned that before)

Thanks

[StressCraxx]

Check the dia of brake pad retaining pins.
There are 2 different dias available.
Also threads Metric or Imperial.
Alan

Hi,

There is any way to see with my photos is they are Metric or Imperial?
There is also marked 7M in one side (I did not mentioned that before)

Thanks

Most likely imperial, if so, threads are 3/8-24 bleed screws.

[fatboyoz]

Thanks Graeme,
Cheers,
Colin



quote="661"]Let's be clear, there's not a lot wrong with the standard brakes in my view.
But, the +2 pad area is greater and I don't believe it upsets the balance using the +2 calipers and the standard master cylinder.
I really much prefer the non assisted brakes ( and have had servo's fail x 2)
To answer your question, in addition to the calipers and mounting plates, +2 dust shields and +2 discs.

I found this from Spyder in 2015:
+2 front caliper 2 £60.00 Each

+2 front caliper mounting brackets 2 £25.00 each

+2 front caliper dust shields 2 £15.00 each

The discs were Kelsport dimpled but I can't find a receipt for them

Hi Graeme,
Other than the +2 calipers and mounting brackets, what else is required for the conversion to the larger brakes.
Cheers,
Colin.




quote="661"]

Hi,

After ordering new front brake pads for my S4 Sprint, EBC DP114
The mechanic told me that these pads are not fitting my brakes.

I took a photo of the calipers and I see that they are Girling Type 16 with the reference 64326047

Is the Girling Type 16 what the Elan +2 have fitted as standard?
Do anybody knows what is the EBC pads reference for these calipers, or any other brand?

Thanks

Lucky lad!
I think the +2 caliper on the front of the Elan is a good improvement, especially if there's no servo.
I have the green stuff pads , +2 calipers and no servo.
I would not use the green stuff again and would look at alternatives, probably mintex. They fade on the road under spirited conditions.

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[alan.barker]

in the caliper casting there is a ref 16P or is your's 16PB.
What cast in ref are your calipers.
What dia retaining pins do you have, get your micrometer or vernier caliper out.
Alan

[Arizon]

in the caliper casting there is a ref 16P or is your's 16PB.
What cast in ref are your calipers.
What dia retaining pins do you have, get your micrometer or vernier caliper out.
Alan

In my calipers only says TYPE 16 (not P or PB)
But I have measured the retaining pins and they are 3/16", so it is Metric

Thanks Alan

[nmauduit]

in the caliper casting there is a ref 16P or is your's 16PB.
What cast in ref are your calipers.
What dia retaining pins do you have, get your micrometer or vernier caliper out.
Alan

In my calipers only says TYPE 16 (not P or PB)
But I have measured the retaining pins and they are 3/16", so it is Metric

Thanks Alan

I did the swap on my Fed '68 s4se a while back, at the time when looking for Girling16 I got the impression that the metric version was 16M (a later version) - so shopped among the 16, 16P, 16BP (can't recall which) to keep the car imperial. I don't recall the retaining pin diameter as an issue really (on needs to check with the pads), and bearing no implication with metric threads on the calipers...

Fwiw I have Pagid RSH3 pads (U4905 pattern i.e. ford escort or lotus eclat elan), they brake rather well for my driving skills... rear is stock (fitted with EBC green or something the like) not that critical imho

[RichardHawkins]

Arizon,

Measuring internal threads is difficult. When I was a student 50 years ago I remember one of our lecturers telling us that you need to make a wax cast of the internal thread, unscrew it and measure the cast. I have never done this, but maybe the material that dentists or audiologists use to take a mould of your teeth or ear canal would be a better thing to use these days. I didn’t know we had metric and imperial options, but would like to know the outcome.

Good luck,

Richard Hawkins