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Tightening a Knock Off Spinner/Wheel?

PostPost by: Davidb » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:02 pm

Unless you have 26R style wheels/hubs in which case it is the reverse! And causes questioning when wheels are tightened or removed with a group of classic car enthusiasts watching...
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PostPost by: 1owner69Elan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:11 am

Davidb wrote:Unless you have 26R style wheels/hubs in which case it is the reverse! And causes questioning when wheels are tightened or removed with a group of classic car enthusiasts watching...


Not sure I understand what is being said in the above quote.

Yes the pins are on the 26r wheel instead of the hub but the central knockoff nut works like the regular Elan one, in how it mates to the wheel. So the same handing is used on the 26r as for the standard hubs/wheels, as far as I understand it.

Unless I have been wrong all along. And if so, why would it be different?

Also, not sure of the origin of the picture in Sarto?s post above. It isn?t the Sarto tool that I know. And thus perhaps not for the Elan.
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PostPost by: Davidb » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:45 am

Iowner: With 26R style hubs/wheels the knock offs must be tightened towards the front of the car! Something to do with diffential expansion rates I believe. The factory learned the hard way after losing a couple of wheels. After thousands of miles on my present car (with 26R hubs/wheel fastenings) and several seasons of racing in a 26R in the eighties I have never had a problem with wheels coming loose as long as I tightened them as described.
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PostPost by: 1owner69Elan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:19 am

I agree that 26r wheels/hubs tighten ?toward the front?: left side has left hand threads, right side has right hand threads.

But, the standard Elan is the same. Not different.

I recently replaced the original standard hubs/wheels with 26r ones. Same orientation.

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PostPost by: Davidb » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:31 am

You are right! I have never owned an Elan with standard wheels so did not realise they were the same as 26R. Of course on wire wheeled cars you tighten toward the rear and that is what I was thinking of I think.
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PostPost by: 1owner69Elan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:42 am

Great! Glad we cleared that up. Not the kind of thing we want later readers to misunderstand.

Potential safety issue.
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PostPost by: oldelanman » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:28 am

Worth noting perhaps that the Workshop Manual quote shown above is referring to the direction of rotation to RELEASE the spinners while most of the discussion here is concerned with TIGHTENING ..... maybe that's leading to some confusion.
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PostPost by: reb53 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:39 am

fattogatto wrote:I would point out that Sarto?s unit clearly shows that you indeed do tighten the wheel nuts towards the rear of the car. Standard threads on the left side and left handed threads for the right side.


The manual, as shown in the next post, is correct.
Either that or I've been doing it wrong for the last 40 years and for some reason the wheels haven't come off....... :)
( come off a few other things, but not my car !).

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PostPost by: mac5777 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:06 pm

I think I may have resolved my questions of ON OFF directions. Spoke to Mike Ostrov and Ray at RD Enterprises on his Elan spinners offered for sale. He said the Hubs are designed with left and right threads. To tighten both sides go to the front end of the car and to loosen follow the UNDO arrows and rotate to the rear.
The British wire wheel spinners are the opposite, just follow the UNDO arrows. Unless you have the Hubs reversed you will not be able to put a left spinner on the right side.
The picture I posted earlier was for a two eared Jaguar. The British spinners and others have an UNDO or OFF with a directional arrow for right or left and can not be attached wrong. Again just follow the markings on each spinner. See picture,
Lotus Elans, the 26R hollow spinners and Cobra/GT40 type using Halibrand type spinners are beveled to match the wheel for a larger better contact area. The wire wheel types spinners for MGs, Triumphs, Morgans, Lotus type 14s, Jaguars and many other cars don't have beveled contact areas.
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