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PostPost by: pereirac » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:51 pm

A quick question.

I just bought set of 41/2J x 13 alloy wheels for my Elan Sprint... Do they need inner tubes with standard wheels?

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PostPost by: alan.barker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:46 am

Hi Carl,
with the alloy wheels it depends if they are reproduction wheels or Lotus original.
Imho if they are original without the safety bead you should fit tubes.
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PostPost by: pereirac » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:57 pm

Hi Alan,
Thanks for that. The insides of my rims seems smooth so can I assume they are not safety rims?

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PostPost by: alan.barker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:04 pm

No safety bead so i think you need tubes.
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PostPost by: pereirac » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:03 pm

Small world :-). It was a fantastic event, will certainly be back in two years time. Just booked the Caux Retro [url](http://cauxretro.com)[/url] for next Summer!!
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PostPost by: Orsom Weels » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:15 pm

If fitting inner tubes, make sure the tyres are compatible. I had tubes in my Elan, (std steel wheels with Uniroayal tyres,) & was plagued with inexplicable punctures. It turned out to be slightly raised ribs in a radial pattern on the inside of the tyre carcase cutting or wearing into the tubes with tyre movement. Finally resolved by removing the tubes & running tubeless after my tyre man did some research & was told by Uniroyal that their tyres are not suitable for use with tubes. It seems not many are ! We were a bit concerned that the riveted construction of the wheel rim to centre would not provide an air tight seal, but I've had no more flat tyres & no other ill effects :D

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PostPost by: pereirac » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:46 pm

Thanks Tim, I was looking at fitting Uniroyals so may have to reconsider.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:23 pm

For me the question is without the safety bead the tyre can move off the sealing part of the rim when cornering hard. That means sudden deflation like a blow out :shock: Maybe that can only happen if the tyre is low on pressure
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PostPost by: Orsom Weels » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:23 pm

alan.barker wrote:For me the question is without the safety bead the tyre can move off the sealing part of the rim when cornering hard. That means sudden deflation like a blow out :shock: Maybe that can only happen if the tyre is low on pressure
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I think the pressure would have to be so low for that to happen, you would have noticed something wrong anyway. I drove on deflating tyres on several occasions while I still had tubes fitted, & never did I have a bead move. I always noticed the car starting to squirm around before that happened & stopped to investigate :)

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Just had another look at Carls pictures & it looks like there is a slight 'trough' for the beads to drop in on the rims to hold them in place ?
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PostPost by: MarkDa » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:47 pm

I'd say with a hump like that you should be fine tubeless - much better for dealing with punctures.
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PostPost by: pereirac » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:04 pm

Still trying to find out who originally made the wheels? Paul Matty sells similar ones but not 41/2J wide ones, which these are?

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PostPost by: Elan45 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:25 am

The "J" in the size designation means it was made to the English spec for tubeless tire.
Not many tire shops, especially in the US, know this today.

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PostPost by: pereirac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:05 am

Roger, neither did I, I just thought it was a way of describing the width of a wheel?
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PostPost by: Orsom Weels » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:54 am

Elan45 wrote:The "J" in the size designation means it was made to the English spec for tubeless tire.
Not many tire shops, especially in the US, know this today.

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If that is the case, then according to the Lotus WSM technical data, all Elans from series 3 onwards should run tubeless tyres. (series 1 & 2 - 4.50", series 3 onwards - 41/2J)
I knew the letter code denoted rim profile, but had never heard it meant specifically tubeless tyres, still not sure it does. Take a look at the link, there's an explanation of what all the different letters mean.
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/h ... l-markings

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PostPost by: pereirac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:05 am

Just found this..https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/tyres-advices/wheel-markings

It seems J means the wheel is for a passenger car. JJ for a 4x4 ..

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