Weber - gas coming out of 1 throat

PostPost by: pcarew » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:34 pm

h20hamelan wrote:I had thought you had posted elsewhere, with a photo of some older plastic line.

I don't believe that was me. The line from the pump to the Webers is steel braided
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PostPost by: h20hamelan » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:04 pm

ah, it was to the pump, from the chassis line.
So nylon (50 yr old) to steel to nylon (50 yr old) to pump to braided to carbs.
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 16, 2024 6:56 pm

Well, I had some time today to open up the fuel pump.
A few things I've noticed. It looks like the FP has been rebuilt in the past and the internal components actually look ok.

Biggest concern is what looks like Pitting in the casting (Photo attached).
I'm wondering if this was not allowing a good seal between the glass bowl and the casting, thus the leaks.

Thoughts anyone?

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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:08 pm

It also looks like the valves have been previously replaced.
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Valves look like previously replaced


Does this Spindle Seal look like it is in good enough condition to stay or should I replace as a matter of course (I'd have to find and purchase one)?

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PostPost by: gjz30075 » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:24 pm

If the spindle seal is still flexible, I'd leave it in.
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:55 pm

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Spring clip is floppy


I also noticed that the spring in the lever is very floppy and not acting as a spring at all. I'm thinking that the tiny rivet that attaches it is working loose.
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:04 pm

gjz30075 wrote:If the spindle seal is still flexible, I'd leave it in.

That's my inclination
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:42 pm

I have the Fuel pump back together.
The small spindle retaining clips were a royal pain to re-stake.
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Refurbished Fuel Pump

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Spindle retaining clips


Moved on to trying to measure the fuel pressure from the pump currently on the car. Ran into an immediate problem with the connection threads. Both the current pump on the car and the AC refurbished original have 1/2 inch-18 threads. The fuel pressure gauge has 1/2-20 and won't connect!

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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:56 pm

@steve lyle ,
Did you have any issues connecting your gauge to the fuel pump?
The thread pitch seems to be an issue for me
"I got a low pressure gauge from Amazon. The one I got was 0-5 psi, but 0-10 or 15 would do. Just don't get a 0-100. With the carbs off, I plumbed it into the output of the fuel pump"
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:22 pm

I mis-measured. The fuel pump fitting is 1/2inch-20 UNC
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PostPost by: steve lyle » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:28 am

pcarew wrote:@steve lyle ,
Did you have any issues connecting your gauge to the fuel pump?
The thread pitch seems to be an issue for me
"I got a low pressure gauge from Amazon. The one I got was 0-5 psi, but 0-10 or 15 would do. Just don't get a 0-100. With the carbs off, I plumbed it into the output of the fuel pump"


I put a barb fitting on the gauge. Then fuel hose on that. Slipped the hose over the stub pipe that’s connected to the pump output with a compression fitting and clamped it on with a jubilee clamp.
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PostPost by: gjz30075 » Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:42 pm

Paul, if you need a stub fitting for the pump, I"m pretty sure I have one. Let me know.
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PostPost by: pcarew » Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:50 pm

gjz30075 wrote:Paul, if you need a stub fitting for the pump, I'm pretty sure I have one. Let me know.

Thank you Greg for your kind offer. As it happens, yesterday I was able to find a threaded to Barb fitting from a local car parts store.

Part "Dorman Fuel Line Adapter 785-402D" ( https://www.dormanproducts.com/p-35879-785-402d.aspx ) has the correct 1/2inch-20 thread fitting.

I put a barb fitting on the gauge. Then fuel hose on that. Slipped the hose over the stub pipe that’s connected to the pump output with a compression fitting and clamped it on with a jubilee clamp.

Thanks Steve, that's more or less what I've ended up doing too.

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PostPost by: pcarew » Sun Nov 24, 2024 5:36 pm

Well, I just measured the pressure from the currently attached Fuel Pump....it's a whopping 10PSI no wonder I have a flooding issue!

I'm using a new Pressure Gauge from Harbor Freight ( https://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-pump-and-vacuum-tester-62637.html ), but I can't rule out it's calibration being off. It does have a pretty high review score though.

I believe the pump that is currently on the car is a pump that may have been supplied a few years ago from RDEnt. It has the priming lever. I can't be definitive because it was a garage that obtained and fitted it, not me.

Irrespective 10PSI is off the chart. Now on to replacing with the refurbed original I have.
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PostPost by: alanr » Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:43 pm

Hi Paul,
So pleased you went the extra mile to prove to yourself what I have been preaching to anyone I come in contact with for some time now that the all metal mechanical fuel pumps that most of the usual suppliers are selling are just not suitable for our cars!
Delivering 10psi is totally unsuitable and will cause flooding no matter what carburettors anyone has fitted..

Note:-There are now also new imitation AC chinese or wherever glass bowl pumps on the market and being sold by Lotus suppliers that also deliver a totally unsuitable fuel pressure!
Only the original AC pump as spec'd by Lotus for the Twink will do.

Anyway....It seems you are getting there :D

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