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Carbon Fiber Anything is always of interest. That is one clean engine bay! Do you drive the car?
Glen
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my question would be: What, if any , effect would arise from having different trumpet lengths on cylinders 1&2?
If you're having the shorter trumpets on 3&4 , why not stick to shorter trumpets for 1&2 ?
I thought i read somewhere ( here?) about the effects of trumpet length on air flow characteristics / standing waves etc etc
If you're having the shorter trumpets on 3&4 , why not stick to shorter trumpets for 1&2 ?
I thought i read somewhere ( here?) about the effects of trumpet length on air flow characteristics / standing waves etc etc
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Shaun,
Not wishing to rain on your beautifully made airbox, in racing circles it is generally believed that that taper on the original airbox was too steep, and as a result the rear carburetor intake was too close to the airbox restricting airflow. There are a number of 'deep' airboxes available from the usual racing suppliers.
As mentioned above, air does not 'flow' into the carburetor, but forms a complex set of standing waves. There are some interesting youtube videos of fuel being blown out of the carburetors with throttles wide open and engine on full song. I did find some fancy analysis somewhere about the minimum distance from trumpet mouth to airbox wall (it was some multiple of trumpet diameter), but I can't find it now, and my maths is too old to figure it out myself.
Probably not an issue unless you regularly touch 8000 RPM with a trick cam.
Really nice job on the carbon fibre.
Edit: - I take it you didn't have the 'D' washers fitted when you took the pictures? The trumpet on intake 2 (counting from the front of the engine) is definitely not seated properly and is sticking out further than the others.
Edit again: - Its all been discussed before http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/lotus-carbs-f40/airbox-trumpet-clearance-t18361.html
Not wishing to rain on your beautifully made airbox, in racing circles it is generally believed that that taper on the original airbox was too steep, and as a result the rear carburetor intake was too close to the airbox restricting airflow. There are a number of 'deep' airboxes available from the usual racing suppliers.
As mentioned above, air does not 'flow' into the carburetor, but forms a complex set of standing waves. There are some interesting youtube videos of fuel being blown out of the carburetors with throttles wide open and engine on full song. I did find some fancy analysis somewhere about the minimum distance from trumpet mouth to airbox wall (it was some multiple of trumpet diameter), but I can't find it now, and my maths is too old to figure it out myself.
Probably not an issue unless you regularly touch 8000 RPM with a trick cam.
Really nice job on the carbon fibre.
Edit: - I take it you didn't have the 'D' washers fitted when you took the pictures? The trumpet on intake 2 (counting from the front of the engine) is definitely not seated properly and is sticking out further than the others.
Edit again: - Its all been discussed before http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/lotus-carbs-f40/airbox-trumpet-clearance-t18361.html
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Quick and simple. The distance from the end of the air horn should be one and one half of the diameter of the throttle plate. In other words, a 40mm carb should have a distance of 60mm from the end of the horn to the vertical surface of the outer cover. This was discovered in a dyno tuning session on a 40mm DCNF and should apply to a DCOE.
Rob Walker
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That is a minimum distance. Anything closer to the opening of the air horn starts cutting the engines power.
Rob Walker
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1964 Sabra GT
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1965 Ford Falcon Ranchero, 302,AOD,9",rack and pinion,disc,etc,etc,etc
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Owning a Lotus will get you off the couch
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1964 Sabra GT
1964 Elva Mk4T Coupe (awaiting restoration)
1965 Ford Falcon Ranchero, 302,AOD,9",rack and pinion,disc,etc,etc,etc
1954 Nash Healey LeMans Coupe
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my motor man "allowed" me to use 75mm trumpets with a foam "sock" as cover - after my previous overhaul my engine had/has appr. 150hp (11,0 compression and 11mm lift!) sandy ......and it roars beautifully! 2 inch exhaust system, starts right after the collector/header!!
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