Short block long stroke engine
The gasket I returned to Cometic with 83.5mm bores Vs 84mm nominal, they claim is 'in tolerance' and have charged me a restocking fee. I've asked what the tolerances are. Seems odd that it isn't 0 to plus something I think.
The 85mm one is about 0.5mm over in both directions, but consistent at least.
The 85mm one is about 0.5mm over in both directions, but consistent at least.
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ill_will wrote:Does anyone have any advice on what to use to oil the bores if the engine might sit for a while before being run, but that doesn't affect bedding in the new rings when it is run-in? I've used ATF for the moment, but not sure if that's a good choice.
I have used a fogging oil on my S3's stored engine. It's intended for spraying into the inlet of a running engine before storage, but I've used it just spraying it in via the plug holes and the ports. Time will tell if it works. It's main use is for marine engines I believe.
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smo17003 wrote:I have used a fogging oil on my S3's stored engine. It's intended for spraying into the inlet of a running engine before storage, but I've used it just spraying it in via the plug holes and the ports. Time will tell if it works. It's main use is for marine engines I believe.
I'll look into that, it isn't something I've heard of before. thanks!
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I’d just use engine oil. Give the engine bit of a squirt with oil down each bore and turn the engine over with a spanner on the pulley every 6-12 months. If you use WD 40 or other products not designed to lubricate an engine you risk starting up the engine dry with engine oil washed off between the piston and bore by these types products going past the rings. Engine oil is the best lubricant. That’s what’s designed to properly lubricate cylinder bores under combustion pressures not WD 40, transmission oil, etc. Many engine oils these days have an additive package that assists the oil to cling to cylinders better than older type oils. The cross hatch pattern on freshly honed bores will retain the oil. That's what it's designed to do. Plus if you rotate the engine occasionally there will be less risk of valve springs losing tension over time due to some being continually compressed.
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Crank installed. Dave Bean recommends 70 ft lb vs 60 ft lb in the lotus manual.
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It turns nicely once torqued. Assembly lube on the shells.
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Next step was to install the pistons. Rings were gapped previously and the rods assembled. Ring alignment per the JE piston instructions.
I got one of those tapered sleeve type ring compressors and it was a real pleasure compared to the thin metal clamp type I have used before. Line up, then push with the thumbs and the piston is in. Sorry forgot to take a photo.
I got one of those tapered sleeve type ring compressors and it was a real pleasure compared to the thin metal clamp type I have used before. Line up, then push with the thumbs and the piston is in. Sorry forgot to take a photo.
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Forgot to note on the rings. The first ring (chromed steel) gaps needed to be opened up very slightly, which I did carefully with a file, always going towards the centre of the ring. The biggest hassle I had was deburring, ended up using a bit of 600ish grit with a piece of metal under it to knock the burrs off without rounding the corners. I made sure the ring could rotate freely in the groove, as with the burrs it couldn't.
The second (iron) and oil control were good, and no adjustments were needed.
The second (iron) and oil control were good, and no adjustments were needed.
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Next step was the big end bolts, ARP 2000. Spec was 55 ftlb or stretch method preferred.
The stretch spec was 6.5 to 7 thou.
The stretch gauges available in the UK seemed pretty expensive for what they are, and not available without a DTI. I got a cone anvil 1" to 2" micrometer for a tenner, which did the job.
The stretch spec was 6.5 to 7 thou.
The stretch gauges available in the UK seemed pretty expensive for what they are, and not available without a DTI. I got a cone anvil 1" to 2" micrometer for a tenner, which did the job.
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The unstretched lengths vary by about 5 thou so the lengths and locations were all recorded. They say to discard them if this length increases by more than a 0.001" when the bolt is removed.
With their special lube on threads and under the heads, the torque of 55 ftlb resulted in not quite enough stretch, so a little more was added by angle rotated method until in the middle of the target range. The micrometer is marked 0.001" increments but is good to approx 0.00025-0.0005" with care.
The micrometer fitted fine on either side by very slightly rotating the crank either way to give clearance to the anvil/frame.
With their special lube on threads and under the heads, the torque of 55 ftlb resulted in not quite enough stretch, so a little more was added by angle rotated method until in the middle of the target range. The micrometer is marked 0.001" increments but is good to approx 0.00025-0.0005" with care.
The micrometer fitted fine on either side by very slightly rotating the crank either way to give clearance to the anvil/frame.
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Now ready for the front cover assembly to go on next.
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ill_will wrote:Crank installed. Dave Bean recommends 70 ft lb vs 60 ft lb in the lotus manual.
Ford increased the torque spec. by 5 ft/ib for later engines when they switched to square main caps. Ideally you should use they same torque spec. as the factory used when they line bored the tunnels. 70 ft/lb is OK for your engine with the square caps but I would not use that spec. on engines with round main caps and originally machined tunnels. If you torque differently to what the factory did when they line bored the tunnels there is a risk they will become out of round.
I notice you have washers under the heads of the ARP big end bolts. You might wish to run that past ARP to be sure. Sometimes washers can be a hinderance rather than an asset. Washers are never used OEM. I once bought a kit of ARP flywheel bolts that included washers. Separate to the kit was a notice not to use the supplied washers under the bolts!
Edit: I see they mention the washers in the supplied instructions. I'm not sure why ARP say use washers when OEMs stopped using any form of washers on big end bolts at least 50+ years ago. Perhaps ARP can explain.
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One of the little jobs has been to fit the chain tensioner quadrant and this threw up a couple of issues that might be useful for someone. I ordered a new brass quadrant, pulley pin and sprocket from QED as there was a bit of slop in the old pulley pin and pivot pin.
It arrived and was a bit undersize which seems fine as I'd expected to need to ream it to size. Armed with a new HSS hand reamer, I did a pass (sharp new tool, no cutting oil for brass) but the cutter wasn't really biting as the hole as supplied was pretty close to nominal. The chips were very small and indicated the cutter was mostly rubbing. A second pass was the same, barely any chips.
Using the shank of the reamer as a gauge pin, as it would only just go through the finished hole, I'd estimate it was just under 0.0005" undersize and the pivot pin wouldn't go.
I remembered trick a machinist mentioned where you can rub a harder tool (in this case the edge of a chamfer on a carbide end mill) down the rake edges of the reamer to slightly 'pick up' the edge (this is how the machinist described it.) This worked a treat, decent chips now and the pin went in with no slop whatsoever.
It arrived and was a bit undersize which seems fine as I'd expected to need to ream it to size. Armed with a new HSS hand reamer, I did a pass (sharp new tool, no cutting oil for brass) but the cutter wasn't really biting as the hole as supplied was pretty close to nominal. The chips were very small and indicated the cutter was mostly rubbing. A second pass was the same, barely any chips.
Using the shank of the reamer as a gauge pin, as it would only just go through the finished hole, I'd estimate it was just under 0.0005" undersize and the pivot pin wouldn't go.
I remembered trick a machinist mentioned where you can rub a harder tool (in this case the edge of a chamfer on a carbide end mill) down the rake edges of the reamer to slightly 'pick up' the edge (this is how the machinist described it.) This worked a treat, decent chips now and the pin went in with no slop whatsoever.
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The front cover asembly is completed. With an alignment tool this went fairly well, next time I'll use very slightly less loctite.
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The sealant bead is ok on the LHS of that backplate but on the RHS the bead should be on the inside of the bolt holes not just on the outside. If just on the outside you risk oil seeping into the bolt holes and seeping out in the area of the bolt head where it contacts the cover
I know a lot of people like to use that anaerobic sealant in that location but personally I don’t. Anaerobic sets quickly and doesn’t give much time for aligning things properly. Also it isn’t very flexible and things tend to move around a bit in that area of the twin cam. Whatever floats your boat though.
I know a lot of people like to use that anaerobic sealant in that location but personally I don’t. Anaerobic sets quickly and doesn’t give much time for aligning things properly. Also it isn’t very flexible and things tend to move around a bit in that area of the twin cam. Whatever floats your boat though.
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