Problem with #2 at idle

PostPost by: Pfreen » Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:28 pm

It’s really interesting when you start sucking brake fluid into the engine. Ask me how I know.
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PostPost by: vxah » Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:38 pm

What about the camshafts? Are they original or Re ground? I’ve had quite a few “not so good” quality cams cause this type of issue over the years with various engines. It’s usually standard aftermarket replacements that have been fitted, and the engine just won’t idle smoothly anymore. All down to the accuracy of the lobes, you might set the valve timing up on number one cylinder but is number two the same? You might well get a near enough identical compression reading but that’s done at wide open throttle not closed throttle and pulling a vacuum. You know that “hot” cams with lots of overlap have poor intake vacuum at low revs so what if one cylinder has more overlap?
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PostPost by: CG901 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:31 pm

Cams are original and after measurement are within spec. No surface abrasion - cracks or signs of excessive wear.
Current: 1965 S1.5 26/4004, 1966 S3 FHC 36/5192, 1958 Fiat Abarth 750GT Zagato, 1967 Brabham BT21B, 1988 Arrows A10B-04, 1991 Brun C91-001.
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PostPost by: CG901 » Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:33 pm

Once resolved, I will post what is found to be the cause and remedy.
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PostPost by: pabbage » Tue Aug 30, 2022 7:31 pm

Did you ever get anywhere with this? I’m having a similar sounding issue (albeit on cylinder 1) and am running out of ideas. Looking for inspiration!
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PostPost by: CG901 » Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 pm

pabbage - I’d like to offer some inspiration but unable to as yet. I have been advised I could have an air bleed at the end of the butterfly spindle. A few years ago I replaced the original spindle bearings with sealed type and may have omitted the leather sealing washers thinking that sealed bearings would serve the same purpose. If the sealed bearings were permitting sufficient air to cause my issues, then why on only one cylinder?
I am working on this today and may have to remove both webers and add the leather washers to rule them out as contributing to the symptoms.
I hope your problem is more easily resolved.
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PostPost by: CG901 » Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:53 pm

Update - I have found some success by adjusting the idle mixture screws only after having achieved an extremely low idle (400 revs). Had to adjust in and out until the minimum turnout produced the same revs as further turns out. (~1 turn out on each idle mixture screw). I was likely ‘cheating’ but had to turn in the speed screw on the heretofore problematic weber (cyls 1-2) to balance both carbs with the synchrometer. Then adjusting the center linkage screw to assure both carb’s butterflies opened simultaneously. After a test drive, the engine had lost it rough idle and idles right at 800 revs. I hope it stays with this adjustment!
Current: 1965 S1.5 26/4004, 1966 S3 FHC 36/5192, 1958 Fiat Abarth 750GT Zagato, 1967 Brabham BT21B, 1988 Arrows A10B-04, 1991 Brun C91-001.
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PostPost by: pabbage » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:46 pm

Progress! good news. (Though I don't think I quite understand the mechanism of why dropping the rpm helped)
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PostPost by: CG901 » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:22 pm

dropping the rpm helped me hear changes in rpm from adjusting the idle mixture screws far better than what I had always done (1000-1500 rpm).
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PostPost by: pabbage » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:25 pm

CG901 wrote:dropping the rpm helped me hear changes in rpm from adjusting the idle mixture screws far better than what I had always done (1000-1500 rpm).



ahhh I see! Great.
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PostPost by: mbell » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:30 pm

I bought a cheap digital tacho, that is very helpful for that as measures to nearest ~10rpm.

https://www.amazon.com/Maintenance-Tach ... B07MXXLXFP

Not as cheap as just turn the rpm down thou.
'73 +2 130/5 RHD, now on the road and very slowly rolling though a "restoration"
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