My twincam strip and rebuild/put together

PostPost by: berni29 » Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:05 pm

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My project car came with a twincam engine that the PO said had been rebuilt (he bought the engine that way) but only loosely assembled as he put it. I intend to strip the engine, measure then reassemble. Hopefully it will not be an actual rebuild.

So what do we have?

The block is marked 701M6018BA, I was told that the valves, cams and pistons are new and so it seems. The pistons are marked "QED standard". Do the head bolts look ok? The valves must be standard size or else the PO would have said. The camshaft bearings look worn, so they will need to be replaced.

I will have the crank out tomorrow I hope.

Here are some pictures. Comments and observations please.
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:16 am

The engine looks like it has been assembled from used racing bits ? The holes in the web on the inlets between cylinders 2 and 3 are where people often mount the throttle cable on a racing engine without the airbox and the cover plate on the front chain cover in front of the layshaft is where mechanical drive tachos go, both typically seen in a twincam in an open wheeler.

The head itself is an early diecast version from early 60's the block from early 70's

I would strip completely and carefully measure every component to determine wear and any possible modification before starting assembly which it sounds like your planning to do.

The head bolts are the earlier waisted design and consistent with the early head. If reusing them I would at least clean them up and examine for cracks. Does the block have a Lotus or Ford engine number. Is there an engine number on the rear face of the head.

The rods bolts I would replace as a matter of course if I did not know their history.

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PostPost by: berni29 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:28 pm

Hi Rohan

Thank you so much for the information. The car that I bought was raced by the PO, and he was putting it back together when he decided to make it a road car. This engine was not from this car, but was bought originally to prepare to race before he changed his mind, so I'm not surprised it has had some modifications.

I have taken some pictures of the numbers on the head and block. I'm not sure I can make them out. Maybe because you know what you are looking for you can decipher them.

Thanks again

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PostPost by: berni29 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:17 pm

Hello again

Here are some more engine pictures. The waterpump seems new and tight. The rod and crank bearings all look new also. The crank ones are marked 0.30. There is no scoring visible on the bearings and crank although there seems to be some quite gungy engine assembly grease evident. The PO said the timing chain was new, but it is a bit rusty. I do not know if it can be cleaned and used.

I have not taken the layshaft out yet, but it turns nice and smoothly.

I tried to measure the valves with them still in the head, from what I can see they are nearly 40mm, do they look like the bigger variety? Picture in the next post. I could not add it here.......

Thanks again

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PostPost by: berni29 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:14 pm

Hi

Are these the larger inlet valves?

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:02 am

The small gap to the spark plug hole suggests they are

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:08 am

What rod bolts were fitted. If used original bolts were in the engine I would check everything else in the engine double careful as it was probably just slapped together to sell from a pile of old racing parts in the back of the workshop.

I would certainly get the head checked for hardness

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 7:11 am

berni29 wrote:Hi Rohan

Thank you so much for the information. The car that I bought was raced by the PO, and he was putting it back together when he decided to make it a road car. This engine was not from this car, but was bought originally to prepare to race before he changed his mind, so I'm not surprised it has had some modifications.

I have taken some pictures of the numbers on the head and block. I'm not sure I can make them out. Maybe because you know what you are looking for you can decipher them.

Thanks again

Berni


The numbers stamped in the lower part of the head rear look like a Ford engine number so perhaps out of a Cortina originally? You need to clean the paint off to be able to read them better. I would be very surprised if anyone who knows anything about twincams would try to prepare an early diecast head for racing these days though it may have been race 50 years ago :)

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PostPost by: 2cams70 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:20 am

118E in the engine number indicates that the block was originally from a pushrod engined Ford Cortina 1500GT. What do the bores look like and what is the bore diameter?
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:01 am

2cams70 wrote:118E in the engine number indicates that the block was originally from a pushrod engined Ford Cortina 1500GT. What do the bores look like and what is the bore diameter?



Strange though to have it stamped on an early twin cam head and no Lotus engine number apparent. I thought at that time all twiincams had Lotus engine numbers stamped on them but then it is Lotus and nothing is for certain?

Normally if putting a twin cam head on a ford block at a later time no one would stamp the engine number on the back of the head ?. The actual block with this head is a much later 701 block.

My guess is that Lotus built this head on a Ford block for some reason and stamped it with the Ford engine number, perhaps early on in the Lotus Cortina development ?

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PostPost by: promotor » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:09 am

My guess is that the block is a recon unit for a mk1 cortina 1500gt (Ford's code for the mk1 1500gt was 118e) and the head was mated to this at a much later date.

Ford used to supply (or organise the supply of) recon bottom ends for mk1/mk2 cortina (maybe a dealer fitted unit after a failure?) - I've seen a few 4 bolt cranks in 701m blocks before! Not sure if the block in the photos came with a 4 bolt crank originally but it's certainly a 6 bolt proper Lotus one now.

118e cars finished production in 1966 as far as I'm aware.
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:17 am

promotor wrote:My guess is that the block is a recon unit for a mk1 cortina 1500gt (Ford's code for the mk1 1500gt was 118e) and the head was mated to this at a much later date.

Ford used to supply (or organise the supply of) recon bottom ends for mk1/mk2 cortina (maybe a dealer fitted unit after a failure?) - I've seen a few 4 bolt cranks in 701m blocks before! Not sure if the block in the photos came with a 4 bolt crank originally but it's certainly a 6 bolt proper Lotus one now.

118e cars finished production in 1966 as far as I'm aware.


Hi Promotor
Have you ever seen an early Lotus twin cam head with a ford engine number on its rear face and no lotus number

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PostPost by: 2cams70 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:36 am

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promotor wrote:My guess is that the block is a recon unit for a mk1 cortina 1500gt (Ford's code for the mk1 1500gt was 118e) and the head was mated to this at a much later date.


I must admit this one is a little strange because the "118E" part of the engine number stamping looks to me like it was stamped at the factory and not aftermarket as a recon. The font and style of the "118E" stamping is as per Ford factory standard. I would expect a recon unit to retain it's original number or to have no number if based on a new block.

Perhaps for new Ford engines supplied through spare parts using new blocks they stamped the blocks with a model series code and engine number before the long block assembly was supplied to Ford dealers. As spare parts engines would have still been supplied after the car itself ceased production. This would explain the reason for the block being a 701M (1970) code rather than something earlier like a 120E, 122E or 2731E code
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:54 am

sorry I misinterpreted the photos I thought they were both of the rear of the head... my eyes are not what they used to be :oops:

Clearly the 701 block has been from the recon program and stamped with the original engine number when fitted in the early 70's to a 1500 C0rtina

The head numbers shown in the photos are the casting numbers. Below them on the rear of the head near the face to the block should be the Lotus engine number the head came from stamped.

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PostPost by: 2cams70 » Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:59 am

rgh0 wrote:Clearly the 701 block has been from the recon program and stamped with the original engine number when fitted in the early 70's to a 1500 C0rtina


I don't think this block was originally from a recon. engine. Somebody way back when walked into a Ford dealership and bought a new 1500GT engine for a Cortina. Either that or a Cortina had it's engine replaced with a new one not a recon. one. The engine would have been bought or fitted around 1970 at the earliest and stamped by Ford at the factory with it's engine number before being released to market.
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