Lotus Elan

Plus 2 Window Motor and mechanism needed can anyone suggest.

PostPost by: wingnuts » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:19 pm

Hello
My husband is trying to bring his plus 2 back to life bless him :wink:
He has asked me to try and find him a source of info on how, where and who can help find a substitute motor and mechanism for the driver side door window :roll:
Apparently water has rusted the channel and the motor doesn't work :?
I have read through some old posts and will pass on the tips on testing the motor off the car (not with the black wire)
Everyone talks about the motors being really robust so maybe it does still work :)
I am sure his mate who tested it would have done the normal Black wire as live and tested it that way, fingers crossed

(We can't afford the ?100 + for one from Chris Neil) :oops:
If you know which other cars motor and mechanism is compatible that would be very appreciated

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PostPost by: gerrym » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:30 pm

There was a post within the last couple of months re US/Canadian source for the motor itself. Apparently they can still be bought new at a low reasonable cost (Stuart Gilmour posted this??)

Other sources in the UK otherwise would be ebay, advert on this site or advert in Club Lotus magazine. There should be a good number of workable 2nd hand mechanisms kicking around.

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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:44 pm

I would contact this seller on eBay who looks like he's just started to break a Plus 2....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lotus-Elan-2-130- ... 2c5723a547

Alternatively, get the motor and mechanism out and match it up to one at a Jaguar breakers...they are from an XJ6 / XJS from memory, so will be very cheap.

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PostPost by: stugilmour » Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:58 pm

Elanintheforest wrote:I would contact this seller on eBay who looks like he's just started to break a Plus 2....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lotus-Elan-2-130- ... 2c5723a547

Alternatively, get the motor and mechanism out and match it up to one at a Jaguar breakers...they are from an XJ6 / XJS from memory, so will be very cheap.

Mark


Mark's suggestion above looks more practical for you than my long winded detail below. Anyway, as I have it typed up :) ...

Wingnuts:

Note Gerry's reply and the info in this post assume you are working on Plus 2 window lifts. The Elan window lifts are quite different from the Plus 2, and the info in the site archives can be confused between the two. I note this difference as you have posted on the Plus 2 forum, but you make mention of not using the black wire on the motor assembly, which I believe is a Lotus Elan issue, but not relevant to the Plus 2 window lifts.

Be very exact in ordering the part, as it is quite confusing to get the motor for the correct side of the car. I am assuming when you say 'driver's side' door you are in GB (reference to Chris Neil as a parts supplier?) and you are referring to the right side of the Lotus. If this is correct, you need to order the Chevelle motor for the LEFT SIDE; Lotus reversed the motor mounting side to side from GM. Also note that many North American based sites will call the GM left side motor the DRIVER'S SIDE in their listing! It gets very confusing if the Web site uses the same photo for both sides of the car, which many do.

The motor you are after was used in the 1969 to 1971 Chevrolet Chevelle. The same motor was also used in other GM models of the period; I used Chevelle call-up as suggested in an old archive post on this forum and it worked fine. As the Chevelle is a two door model, it relieves you of the confusion between left and right applications on the front & rear doors. If you are trying to source the motor from a junk yard/breaker, the link below provides a detailed application page for the motors, so you can perhaps hunt down a donor car in this manner. If the detail link doesn?t work correctly, you will have to navigate on the main A1 CARDONE site to the ?69 to ?71 Chevelle window motor to get to the detail page. Use the ?search by application? link.

http://www.cardone.com/English/club/mem ... NUM=42-13#

The replacement motor I used was remanufactured by A1 CARDONE. Their main web address is:

http://www.cardone.com

Their part number(s) you are after are as follows. Be careful, as their site uses the same photo for both sides of the car.

42-13 - Left side of Chevelle; will fit RIGHT SIDE OF LOTUS PLUS 2
42-14 - Right side of Chevelle; will fit LEFT SIDE OF LOTUS PLUS 2

This link shows correct photos of the motors and the associated manufacturer?s part numbers. This is what I used for the call-up to get the correct side of the car. Use the parts finder for 1970 Chevelle.

http://www.partstrain.com

I was able to buy the re-manufactured motor from a local retail parts supplier (I am in Canada) and they had the correct A1 CARDONE call-up for the 1970 Chevelle in their computer. Unfortunately (if you are in GB) it was sold with a core charge on the old motor, which is difficult in terms of shipping for you. You may wish to Google up an alternate supplier that may sell without a core charge or confirm with your local ?auto factor?.

Note the motors are sold without the gears; you have to use your old ones. Advise checking out gear condition and testing your motor on the bench before ordering to make sure motor is the problem.

Here is a generic window motor replacement instruction sheet from the A1 CARDONE site that might help with the job. The key instruction is how to constrain the regulator spring prior to removing the motor & regulator. The circular spring is VERY powerful and could cause injury or damage to the window, so look it over carefully before proceeding.

http://www.cardone.com/English/Club/Pro ... 043047.asp

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PostPost by: wingnuts » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:57 pm

Thanks folks for your quick replies I am printing them out for my husband right now
It is great to know there are other avenues to find one without the high costs of a new one from the specialists
I will keep you posted on any progress

Just for the record ....
I am in the UK

It is an Elan +2 1971

It is a Right hand drive

4 speed gears

The parts wanted are for the drivers door

Thanks again
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PostPost by: mikealdren » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:19 pm

Mark,
not sure about the Jag but they were the same as the old Vauxhall Viscount so that fits with Stu's GM heritage in North America. They would have been bought in from an external manufacturer and that may well have been AC Delco.

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PostPost by: Robbie693 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:51 am

I don't know if this is correct but, it's been mentioned a few times in the past that the window motors are Escort wiper motors.. Also not sure if this is for a Plus 2 or Elan (if they are different?)

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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:23 am

Hi Robbie
The Elan S3 / S4 motors are from the Anglia / Escort wiper system, but the Plus 2 motors are a bit more hefty!
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PostPost by: Robbie693 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:47 am

I see.. Thanks Mark
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PostPost by: jono » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:29 pm

The motors are indeed AC Delco of American origin and are a substantial unit (having just stripped and cleaned mine).

On taking them apart they looked sparkling on the inside, as did the brushes and cummutator. They are encapsulated in some sort of bitumen which no doubt keeps them clean, as well as water proof.

....I would be surprised if your existing motors cannot be 'recovered'?

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PostPost by: lotusanglia1965 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:13 pm

tip of the day...
put the motor in a vise and run it connected to a 12v battery for about half an hour in each direction.
as they only go back and forth a bit,quite often the brushes are barely"run-in"
this worked for me.... :wink:
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PostPost by: john-c-elan+2 » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:28 am

Paul Robinshaw (Robinshaw & Ross fame) had some of these at Malvern show earlier in the year ? Both sides. No doubt he'll be at the next one in October ? Failing that anyone have his phone number handy ?
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:10 pm

Wingnuts

If you're going to Malvern (if I'm still going to Malvern?-just returned from Corfu and catching up on the news-accomodation booked!) I may be able to help you out?

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PostPost by: bg109685 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:38 pm

Hi,

I read earlier today that the lotus parts fair has been cancelled.

http://www.classicshows.org/malvern091010.php

Anyone have any tips for other show / meets as I too am rebuild a car in need of bits?

Adios

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