Lotus Elan

65 S2 26/5007 looking for information

PostPost by: BordenAG » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:04 pm

Hi, we represent a consignment customer in prepping a 1965 Lotus Elan S2 RHD for sale on bring a trailer. I have done a full keyword search on this forum and read through all posts relating to this car but I have come up short on answering the questions we have about the car/engine. The car was owned by forum member @summerinmaine and purchased by Bob Herzog in early 2011. Bob fully restored the car and sold it to our customer in 2012. We are looking to confirm if the engine is numbers matching to the chassis. The vin plate is stamped with chassis 26/5007 but the engine no. is blank. The engine number from the block is LP7084LBA. Is there anyone that can assist or point me to a registry?

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PostPost by: gentry74 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:51 pm

Hi Mary,
I assume you've already asked Bob Herzog? Have you tried contact Andy Graham at Lotus? Some certificates of provenance have engine numbers... most do not. Andy can provide you with any info he has in his files. (there is a small cost and it gets mailed)

https://media.lotuscars.com/en/blog/and ... ivist.html

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PostPost by: BordenAG » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:01 pm

Thank you, I tried messaging Bob via Facebook but he has not responded yet. The email address I have for him is from 2012 so not sure if it is accurate anymore. Is he on this forum group?

Thank you for the information about Andy - I will reach out to him to get this run on the car.

Cheers!
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PostPost by: gentry74 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:05 pm

BordenAG wrote:Thank you, I tried messaging Bob via Facebook but he has not responded yet. The email address I have for him is from 2012 so not sure if it is accurate anymore. Is he on this forum group?

Thank you for the information about Andy - I will reach out to him to get this run on the car.

Cheers!
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He is on this forum. His handle has ZOG in it... though I am unsure on the rest. He also very recently sold an S2 on BAT. Might be able to get ahold of him that way.
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PostPost by: BordenAG » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:12 pm

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BordenAG wrote:Thank you, I tried messaging Bob via Facebook but he has not responded yet. The email address I have for him is from 2012 so not sure if it is accurate anymore. Is he on this forum group?

Thank you for the information about Andy - I will reach out to him to get this run on the car.

Cheers!
Mary


He is on this forum. His handle has ZOG in it... though I am unsure on the rest. He also very recently sold an S2 on BAT. Might be able to get ahold of him that way.


Thank you! That was an amazing auction result he achieved on the most recent S2! I will try and reach out to him.
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PostPost by: gentry74 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:50 pm

Also- I am no expert.... having only owned a single elan... but your VIN plate looks to be a replacement. The originals had the numbers scratched on and at least in my s3... the engine no is filled in. My engine number starts with 71... so 7084 is in the ballpark. If its not original its very early in the car's existence.
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PostPost by: saildrive2001 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:59 pm

If the car was sold as a kit, which most in the UK were, then the engine # would be blank. My car does not have any engine # stamped on it but the Certificate of Vehicle Provenance from Andy does show the engine #.
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PostPost by: BordenAG » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:48 pm

saildrive2001 wrote:If the car was sold as a kit, which most in the UK were, then the engine # would be blank. My car does not have any engine # stamped on it but the Certificate of Vehicle Provenance from Andy does show the engine #.


Thank you, I did reach out to Andy to get a certificate of provenance produced for the car. Really appreciate the insights shared so far :)

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PostPost by: gentry74 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:01 pm

saildrive2001 wrote:If the car was sold as a kit, which most in the UK were, then the engine # would be blank. My car does not have any engine # stamped on it but the Certificate of Vehicle Provenance from Andy does show the engine #.


so would the kit have come with a totally blank vin plate? leaving it to the assembler to etch the numbers as they saw fit? or just the engine no blank?
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PostPost by: StressCraxx » Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:16 pm

The engine number corresponds to the time period. There is another spot for the engine number on the back of the cylinder head in the center near the freeze plug. It requires the use of a mirror and a light to see if it is there. If it is the original head to that block, the numbers will match.
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PostPost by: saildrive2001 » Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:34 pm

Just the engine # blank, the chassis # is scribed in.
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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:44 am

From my records it looks like 5007 left the factory in October 1965 with engine number LP4380.

LP7084 is from the first quarter of 1967, but I can't find any reference to it coming from an Elan. Maybe a factory replacement engine or from a donor very early Mk2 Lotus Cortina.

It is not at all unusual to have a non-matching numbers engine fitted into the Elan!

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PostPost by: zog » Tue Feb 28, 2023 12:00 pm

Hi,

Mary got a hold of me and I provided her the write up I did on the car when I put it up for sale. I also gave her the link to pictures that are still on the Lotus Corps website. I am looking forward to another fun round of commentary and bidding on BAT.

https://lotuscorps.org/pictures/index.php?/category/23
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PostPost by: BordenAG » Tue Feb 28, 2023 11:25 pm

I just wanted to say a sincere "thank you!" to all of you for your help with my questions about the car. We greatly appreciate it!

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