LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

[JOHNKENNER]

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<http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714&grpId=133695&grpspId=1600543850&msgId=
39712&stime=1150050984> Hi All,



I am looking for a stock Weber head for my Elan.



I will buy a whole motor or car if need be.



Located 15 miles north of San Francisco.



Will pay shipping from almost anywhere.



Help me if you can.



John Kenner



'66 Elan '72 Europa and now '06 BMW Z4M Coupe

["C.D.S."]

John,

one just popped up on eBay
Item number: 4650492588

Needs some welding, but you are near a several competent people that
can candle this if your in norcal.


regards

carl



On Jun 12, 18 Heisei, at 7:06 PM, JOHN KENNER wrote:

[jopalm]

John-

Seems these are getting harder and harder to find, and once found there's no
guarantee of the quality. Rather than buy a whole car or engine (presumably
to break it) have you considered the new heads being marked by several of
the usual suppliers?

(for example: http://davebean.com/specials6.htm#TCHead )

While certainly expensive, this must be cheaper than a whole car *and*
you're getting a new part.

Regards,
-John
'69 Lotus Elan S4 DHC 45/8290
'74 1/2 Jensen Healey #18918


----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN KENNER" <***@***.***>

Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

[M100]

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:14:19 -0700, "John Palmer" wrote:


Fully rebuilding a head compared to a complete new head from QED shows
only around a 900 quid difference

The new QED Sprint Special Head (Option 2) is ?2,775.00 all in as self
assembly kit, and just 215 quid more fully assembled

Taking a bare 30-45 year old head and trying to fetch it to the same
standard buying your bits from QED and using them for labour might
cost:

4 inlet valves@?11.00
4 exhaust valves@?11.00
4 inlet seats@?7.50
4 exhaust seats@?7.50
4 valve guide inlet@?5.50
4 valve guide exhaust@?5.50
8 valve guide circlip@?0.50
8 collets@?3.50
8 spring bases@?1.10
1 blueprinted valve springs@?26.00
8 valve spring retainers@?6.00
1 q360 cam inlet@?230.00
1 q360 cam exhaust@?230.00
1 cam bearings@?75.00
8 cam follower@?11.25
8 cam follower sleeves@?15.00
8 shims@?1.25
12 cam cap stud short@?2.00
8 cam cap stud long@?2.50
10 cam cap@?5.95
20 cam cap nut@?0.10
20 cam cap washer@?0.05
20 cam cap dowel@?1.00
labour fitting cam follower sleeves@?190.00
labour fitting valve seats@?80.00
labour fitting valve guides@?87.00
labour cam cap bore@?230.50
labour head skim@?45.00
labour spot face head bolt pads@?45.00

Total ?1,865.80

Of course if the cam follower sleeves are ok, the cam caps aren't
cracked, you reprofile your existing cams, and there is enough meat
left on the valve seats to recut them a rebuild could be a lot cheaper
but it's still around 700-750 quid absolute minimum.

(all prices plus VAT)

--
Martin
72/45

[lotuselan2]

It might turn out cheaper to by a Cosworth BDR and have a slightly more
modern design yet fully compatible with the Elan. Power potential is a LOT
higher.



Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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Of JOHN KENNER
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:07 PM
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD



H

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I am looking for a stock Weber head for my Elan.

I will buy a whole motor or car if need be.

Located 15 miles north of San Francisco.

Will pay shipping from almost anywhere.

Help me if you can.

John Kenner

'66 Elan '72 Europa and now '06 BMW Z4M Coupe

[theelanman]

Ive got one...no welding perfect codition.....
was in my car and running...
have decided that the new rebuilt engine i have and my new galv chassis is
going in the car so will have a full engine and original chassi for sale very
soon......
might be a pain with shipping as im in the uk
just a thought !!!!
cheers
g

[Fred Talmadge]

There is also McCoy up in northwest USA he can convert a Stromberg head into
a Weber and completely rebuild and port the head. Suppose to be real good.

Fred, I lost the contact info but I could find it if I looked.

On Monday 12 June 2006 10:14 pm, John Palmer wrote:

[elansurveyor]

Actually I'm in the market for a weber head as well, In Ontario, Canada Also interested in the Cosworth idea, any details?
Thanks Francis
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To: ***@***.***
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD


Ive got one...no welding perfect codition.....
was in my car and running...
have decided that the new rebuilt engine i have and my new galv chassis is
going in the car so will have a full engine and original chassi for sale very
soon......
might be a pain with shipping as im in the uk
just a thought !!!!
cheers
g

[lotuselan2]

Francis



I found my BDR by running an ad in Autoweek many years ago. I got two
responses. One guy in Cleveland had a street RS1600 Mexico brought over
from Canada; it would have been the "factory" spec engine with similar HP to
a Twin Cam but more potential to grow. The second was the one I bought; guy
was an ex-Bean employee that built the motor for a street car but was
looking for money to go racing. Mine is a 1700 Bean spec (Stage 3, I
believe they refer to it as). With 45 mm Delorttos and cam that will spin
up to 9000 RPM and 190 HP. Unfortunately I did not have the cash to buy the
billet crank and special rods that could take those RPM's. I have a
blueprinted Cortina crank which is a pretty reliable 7000+ crank.



Where NOT to find a BDR: I was warned NOT to buy a Formula Atlantic BDA and
detune it. The BDA's were really pushed for power (215+ HP) and the valve
bucket carrier's usually wore due to the fast lift cams. You do not want a
bucket to jam! BDA's also used very short "slipper" pistons that were
replaced every few races.



So the primary source is to find an RS 1600 Escort in Canada or wherever it
ended up and than upgrade it as you see fit. Building it from scratch with
Bean would be quite expensive. If you contact Cosworth they will try to
talk you into whatever they are pushing at the moment, but it probably will
not fit an Elan. They were pushing me to get a YB motor (Merkur in US) but
it is 4" too long to fit an Elan. Cosworth still sells parts for BD's and
Ken Jacobs is pretty helpful; he is in US (NV I think). There are
specialist builders but I have never had need to contact them. The motors
are used in SCCA in FC I think, but these may be similar to BDA's. I fresh
cam carrier would cure most of the F Atlantic ills.



Sources in the UK and Germany should be a lot more common. A 2 liter rally
motor would be awesome in an Elan or +2!



Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.*** Behalf
Of BOWERS
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:12 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD



Actually I'm in the market for a weber head as well, In Ontario, Canada Also
interested in the Cosworth idea, any details?
Thanks Francis
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From: theelanman@aol. <mailto:theelanman%40aol.com> com
To: ***@***.*** <mailto:lotuselan%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

Ive got one...no welding perfect codition.....
was in my car and running...
have decided that the new rebuilt engine i have and my new galv chassis is
going in the car so will have a full engine and original chassi for sale
very
soon......
might be a pain with shipping as im in the uk
just a thought !!!!
cheers
g

[davidallen]

Does a DBA have a similar waterpump design to the Lotus, or can you remove
the pump without dismanteling half the engine?

David


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From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.*** Behalf
Of Lotus
Sent: 14 June 2006 13:23
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD



Francis

I found my BDR by running an ad in Autoweek many years ago. I got two
responses. One guy in Cleveland had a street RS1600 Mexico brought over
from Canada; it would have been the "factory" spec engine with similar HP to
a Twin Cam but more potential to grow. The second was the one I bought; guy
was an ex-Bean employee that built the motor for a street car but was
looking for money to go racing. Mine is a 1700 Bean spec (Stage 3, I
believe they refer to it as). With 45 mm Delorttos and cam that will spin
up to 9000 RPM and 190 HP. Unfortunately I did not have the cash to buy the
billet crank and special rods that could take those RPM's. I have a
blueprinted Cortina crank which is a pretty reliable 7000+ crank.

Where NOT to find a BDR: I was warned NOT to buy a Formula Atlantic BDA and
detune it. The BDA's were really pushed for power (215+ HP) and the valve
bucket carrier's usually wore due to the fast lift cams. You do not want a
bucket to jam! BDA's also used very short "slipper" pistons that were
replaced every few races.

So the primary source is to find an RS 1600 Escort in Canada or wherever it
ended up and than upgrade it as you see fit. Building it from scratch with
Bean would be quite expensive. If you contact Cosworth they will try to
talk you into whatever they are pushing at the moment, but it probably will
not fit an Elan. They were pushing me to get a YB motor (Merkur in US) but
it is 4" too long to fit an Elan. Cosworth still sells parts for BD's and
Ken Jacobs is pretty helpful; he is in US (NV I think). There are
specialist builders but I have never had need to contact them. The motors
are used in SCCA in FC I think, but these may be similar to BDA's. I fresh
cam carrier would cure most of the F Atlantic ills.

Sources in the UK and Germany should be a lot more common. A 2 liter rally
motor would be awesome in an Elan or +2!

Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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To: ***@***.*** <mailto:lotuselan%40yahoogroups.com> -ps.com
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

Actually I'm in the market for a weber head as well, In Ontario, Canada Also
interested in the Cosworth idea, any details?
Thanks Francis
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To: ***@***.*** <mailto:lotuselan%-40yahoogroups.-com> ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

Ive got one...no welding perfect codition....-.
was in my car and running...
have decided that the new rebuilt engine i have and my new galv chassis is
going in the car so will have a full engine and original chassi for sale
very
soon......
might be a pain with shipping as im in the uk
just a thought !!!!
cheers
g













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[steveww]

John Wilcox www.wilcoxengines.demon.co.uk or Burton Power
www.burtonpower.com can supply all the BD series bits to complete dyno
tested engines. Wilcox has the better reputation for these engines,
Burton is just reselling Cosworth bits.

It is something I would like to do one day if the budget ever allows! Of
course the gear box etc would also need some attention.

Lotus wrote:

--

Regards,

Steve Waterworth
***@***.***
http://www.stig.uklinux.net/

Einstein: "The faster you drive, the slower you age..."

[lotuselan2]

David

BD water pumps are driven off the belt drive with a Gilmer pulley but I
believe they are stock Cortina pump housings that just bolt into the front
of the motor with 3 bolts. There are NO aluminum (nor aluminium) covers on
the front of the motor (other than jack those on a Cortina).



Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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Of ALLEN, David
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:22 AM
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Does a DBA have a similar waterpump design to the Lotus, or can you remove
the pump without dismanteling half the engine?

David

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Francis

I found my BDR by running an ad in Autoweek many years ago. I got two
responses. One guy in Cleveland had a street RS1600 Mexico brought over
from Canada; it would have been the "factory" spec engine with similar HP to
a Twin Cam but more potential to grow. The second was the one I bought; guy
was an ex-Bean employee that built the motor for a street car but was
looking for money to go racing. Mine is a 1700 Bean spec (Stage 3, I
believe they refer to it as). With 45 mm Delorttos and cam that will spin
up to 9000 RPM and 190 HP. Unfortunately I did not have the cash to buy the
billet crank and special rods that could take those RPM's. I have a
blueprinted Cortina crank which is a pretty reliable 7000+ crank.

Where NOT to find a BDR: I was warned NOT to buy a Formula Atlantic BDA and
detune it. The BDA's were really pushed for power (215+ HP) and the valve
bucket carrier's usually wore due to the fast lift cams. You do not want a
bucket to jam! BDA's also used very short "slipper" pistons that were
replaced every few races.

So the primary source is to find an RS 1600 Escort in Canada or wherever it
ended up and than upgrade it as you see fit. Building it from scratch with
Bean would be quite expensive. If you contact Cosworth they will try to
talk you into whatever they are pushing at the moment, but it probably will
not fit an Elan. They were pushing me to get a YB motor (Merkur in US) but
it is 4" too long to fit an Elan. Cosworth still sells parts for BD's and
Ken Jacobs is pretty helpful; he is in US (NV I think). There are
specialist builders but I have never had need to contact them. The motors
are used in SCCA in FC I think, but these may be similar to BDA's. I fresh
cam carrier would cure most of the F Atlantic ills.

Sources in the UK and Germany should be a lot more common. A 2 liter rally
motor would be awesome in an Elan or +2!

Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

_____

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Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

Actually I'm in the market for a weber head as well, In Ontario, Canada Also
interested in the Cosworth idea, any details?
Thanks Francis
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To: ***@***.*** <mailto:lotuselan%-40yahoogroups.-com> ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] LOOKING FOR A WEBER HEAD

Ive got one...no welding perfect codition....-.
was in my car and running...
have decided that the new rebuilt engine i have and my new galv chassis is
going in the car so will have a full engine and original chassi for sale
very
soon......
might be a pain with shipping as im in the uk
just a thought !!!!
cheers
g







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[BenL]

On 6/13/06, Fred Talmadge <***@***.***> wrote:

Is this him? http://www.omnitech-engineering.com/

---Ben

[Fred Talmadge]

Yes it is. Fred

On Wednesday 14 June 2006 10:24 pm, Benjamin Levy wrote:

[holywood3645]

The water pump used on the BD series engine depends on the block the
motor is built. Alloy blocks use both the cortina style water pump
on the older blocks (alloy or cast)and a BDT style pump on the
newer alloy blocks(Bigger impeller). The front cover is alloy while
simliar to the crossflow is not the same. They cost about 180 UKP
and are dificult to get second hand. Alloy cam carrier is 1500 USD
alloy block ~6000 USD. Valve springs $800, platforms etc $$$ cams
$800 and up, valves $34 each (x16) BDT pump 250, Lucas CE Ignition
500, Drysump? Look at racecars.com and see how much these engines
command.
I have a fully rebuilt 2.1 ltr BDG sitting in my garage that I have
$20000 it makes about 250hp on twin 48's. It ended up that I bought
a MK1 Ford escort just to use the engine. Even in mild tune a BD
engine It too powerful for an stanard elan. You will have to start
modifying a lot of other things to
stop them from breaking. Look what a 26R needs for just 170bhp. If
you desperate for a BD engine I will
sell you mine for 24K complete, but you really don't want it.
James
PS I recently sold a VGC bare second hand BDD head for $2500 (this
would be considered a good deal) but it was only a bare head.



--- In ***@***.***, "Lotus" <lotuselan2@...> wrote: