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Vacuum unit

PostPost by: davidallen » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:01 am

Hi,

Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David


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PostPost by: ElliottN » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:51 pm

--- In ***@***.***, "ALLEN, David" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,

Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David

If you have an Elan workshop manual - Review J.13 - there are a
series of tests. I can summarise them here if you don't have a manual.

Alternatively, find a bit of clear gently downhill road and, engine
running, stop the car from (say) 15 mph - quickly but not a crash
stop.
Now go back and do it again with the engine off (you need to let it
roll up to speed) - if it takes more effort to it pull up, the servo
is functioning.

rgds,
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PostPost by: ElliottN » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:54 pm

--- In ***@***.***, "ALLEN, David" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,

Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David

If you have an Elan workshop manual - Review J.13 - there are a
series of tests. I can summarise them here if you don't have a manual.

Alternatively, find a bit of clear gently downhill road and, engine
running, stop the car from (say) 15 mph - quickly but not a crash
stop.
Now go back and do it again with the engine off (you need to let it
roll up to speed) - if it takes more effort to it pull up, the servo
is functioning.

rgds,
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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:01 pm

Yes,

If you remove the cap, you'll notice that there is what looks like a
tightly wound coil spring connecting to the moveable plate. Remove the
hose from the vac unit (outside), push on the spring thing as if you
were trying to compress the spring (although it is actually so tightly
wound, it appears to already be compressed). You may leave it connected
to the moveable plate and if you do, pushing on the spring will rotate
the plate in the distributor. With the unit compressed-, place your
finger over the end of the vac unit where you have removed the hose. Now
remove your other hand from compressing the vac unit (actually, you have
moved the diaphram inside.) Then when you remove your finger from the
vac port, you should hear it pass air and see movement of the plate/
spring thingy. This will tell you the unit is airtight. This is best
accomplished with the distributor removed from the engine and clamped in
a vice.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 4/3/2006 4:01 AM >>>
Hi,


Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David


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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:00 pm

I guess we need to determine which vacuum function you wish to test, the
vacuum servo for the brakes or the vacuum advance unit on the S4
distributor, which is what my previous comments concerned.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 4/3/2006 9:40 AM >>>
Yes,


If you remove the cap, you'll notice that there is what looks like a
tightly wound coil spring connecting to the moveable plate. Remove the
hose from the vac unit (outside), push on the spring thing as if you
were trying to compress the spring (although it is actually so tightly
wound, it appears to already be compressed). You may leave it
connected
to the moveable plate and if you do, pushing on the spring will rotate
the plate in the distributor. With the unit compressed-, place your
finger over the end of the vac unit where you have removed the hose.
Now
remove your other hand from compressing the vac unit (actually, you
have
moved the diaphram inside.) Then when you remove your finger from the
vac port, you should hear it pass air and see movement of the plate/
spring thingy. This will tell you the unit is airtight. This is best
accomplished with the distributor removed from the engine and clamped
in
a vice.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 4/3/2006 4:01 AM >>>
Hi,


Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David


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PostPost by: davidallen » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:49 pm

Actually I am referring to the headlight unit!!

It is off the car at the moment and due to be fitted next in the
restoration. I just wish to check it is OK before I give it an other coat of
paint and fit it. It is in very good condition so I guess it is not
original.

Cheers,

David

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I guess we need to determine which vacuum function you wish to test, the
vacuum servo for the brakes or the vacuum advance unit on the S4
distributor, which is what my previous comments concerned.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 4/3/2006 9:40 AM >>>
Yes,


If you remove the cap, you'll notice that there is what looks like a
tightly wound coil spring connecting to the moveable plate. Remove the
hose from the vac unit (outside), push on the spring thing as if you
were trying to compress the spring (although it is actually so tightly
wound, it appears to already be compressed). You may leave it
connected
to the moveable plate and if you do, pushing on the spring will rotate
the plate in the distributor. With the unit compressed-, place your
finger over the end of the vac unit where you have removed the hose.
Now
remove your other hand from compressing the vac unit (actually, you
have
moved the diaphram inside.) Then when you remove your finger from the
vac port, you should hear it pass air and see movement of the plate/
spring thingy. This will tell you the unit is airtight. This is best
accomplished with the distributor removed from the engine and clamped
in
a vice.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 4/3/2006 4:01 AM >>>
Hi,


Is there a simple "at home" test to check if a vacuum unit is still
serviceable?

Thanks,


David


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PostPost by: marcfuller » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:16 pm

I don't know what the "standard" is but here is what I did to test them in
my non-failsafe. Attached plugged hoses to the inlets/outlets and attached
a 5 pound weight to the base. Then clamped the rod in a vise so that the
unit hung below the bench and measured (every 15 min) the distance to the
floor from the base and how long it took to fully extend.

At 10:49 AM 4/3/2006, you wrote:
Actually I am referring to the headlight unit!!

It is off the car at the moment and due to be fitted next in the
restoration. I just wish to check it is OK before I give it an other coat of
paint and fit it. It is in very good condition so I guess it is not
original.

Cheers,
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PostPost by: Rob_LaMoreaux » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:40 pm

Actually I am referring to the headlight unit!!

It is off the car at the moment and due to be fitted next in the
restoration. I just wish to check it is OK before I give it
an other coat of
paint and fit it. It is in very good condition so I guess it is not
original.


If it is off the bench it is fairly easy. I pull out the rod then suck on
the inlet and the rod pulls in on the good ones. It doesn't do anything on
the bad one. The bad one is unused because the diaphragm wasn't captured at
one spot causing a huge vacuum leak, which I can see by looking in the air
hole on the atmosphere side.

If you have a handheld vacuum pump with gauge then you could pump up the
vacuum and then let it set and see if the vacuum goes down.

Rob LaMoreaux

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PostPost by: Fred Talmadge » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:46 pm

There is also a good write up on testing the whole system at the
Golden Gate Lotus web site.
http://www.gglotus.org/ggtech/elan-hdlamp/headlamp.htm

Fred T.

At 01:40 PM 4/3/2006, Robert D. LaMoreaux wrote:
> Actually I am referring to the headlight unit!!
>

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PostPost by: "Michael Robertson&q » Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:11 am

On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:40, Fred Talmadge wrote:

There is also a good write up on testing the whole system at the
Golden Gate Lotus web site.

It's a good article, but the author confused "Murphy" with "Peter".

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PostPost by: davidallen » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:48 am

Thanks. How long did it take?

David

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I don't know what the "standard" is but here is what I did to test them in
my non-failsafe. Attached plugged hoses to the inlets/outlets and attached
a 5 pound weight to the base. Then clamped the rod in a vise so that the
unit hung below the bench and measured (every 15 min) the distance to the
floor from the base and how long it took to fully extend.

At 10:49 AM 4/3/2006, you wrote:
Actually I am referring to the headlight unit!!

It is off the car at the moment and due to be fitted next in the
restoration. I just wish to check it is OK before I give it an other coat
of

paint and fit it. It is in very good condition so I guess it is not
original.

Cheers,
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