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red chassis paint

PostPost by: guerrilla garage » Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:35 am

I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
(lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered reading
about this topic before but when I went back and searched the archives
I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints, powder
coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I would
have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so with
what? thanks, Steve
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PostPost by: Benjamin Levy » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:05 am

On 1/31/06, guerrilla1 <***@***.***> wrote:
I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
(lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2.

Try searching for "red oxide" and "chassis paint".
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PostPost by: "Nick Giovas" » Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:54 am

As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red oxide
primer.

I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.

Nick

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Subject: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
(lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered reading
about this topic before but when I went back and searched the archives
I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints, powder
coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I would
have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so with
what? thanks, Steve
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PostPost by: grat » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:49 am

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:50:24PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red
oxide primer.


I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.

Is the powder coat glossy or flat? what did they charge you
for that? (I'm thinking about doing the same thing. just curious.)

fj..
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PostPost by: Gordon Sauer » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:58 am

The chassis color is a flat, pourous, primer looking paint just like red
oxide primer or that Rust Encapsulator stuff from Eastwood. My S3 DHC had black
painted, semi-gloss pretty much, wishbones. It's a 68 titled car I bought in
72 and nothing on it had been painted but the body. The red oxide primer color
is the same color as on the sill rails I just dragged out of my 72 +2s 130
that were original with rot to prove it--they were still using that red even
then.Gordon Sauer
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PostPost by: "Nick Giovas" » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:15 am

Fj,

He powder coated it with the red oxide color first and then applied a flat
clear coat to make the finish dull. It turned out fantastic. The only
thing I would have done differently was to follow his recommendation on the
color. He had a color chart and recommended a specific color, but I thought
another one was a closer match. It ends up he was probably right because
the one I chose had slightly more orange in it than I would like.
Unfortunately, the color charts aren't exact. When I did my wheels he
sprayed several samples on 2"x4" metal cards so I could see how they would
look. I would recommend asking for samples before making a final color
selection.

I don't remember the exact cost, but if I remember correctly it was around
$225.00 for the chassis with both coats of powder.

Nick

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Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:50:24PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red
oxide primer.


I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.

Is the powder coat glossy or flat? what did they charge you
for that? (I'm thinking about doing the same thing. just curious.)

fj..
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PostPost by: "Nick Giovas" » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:19 am

Steve,
For the wishbones, check out Eastwood's chassis black paint. It has a
slight amount of gloss, but not too much. It is also very durable. I like
it because you can buy it in cans for small jobs or in quarts for larger
jobs. They recommend applying it without a primer.

If you watch their site they will have 10% off ever once in a while.

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Of guerrilla1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:35 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
(lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered reading
about this topic before but when I went back and searched the archives
I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints, powder
coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I would
have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so with
what? thanks, Steve
"Nick Giovas"
 

PostPost by: "Nick Giovas" » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:51 pm

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:14 AM
To: '***@***.***'
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

Fj,

He powder coated it with the red oxide color first and then applied a flat
clear coat to make the finish dull. It turned out fantastic. The only
thing I would have done differently was to follow his recommendation on the
color. He had a color chart and recommended a specific color, but I thought
another one was a closer match. It ends up he was probably right because
the one I chose had slightly more orange in it than I would like.
Unfortunately, the color charts aren't exact. When I did my wheels he
sprayed several samples on 2"x4" metal cards so I could see how they would
look. I would recommend asking for samples before making a final color
selection.

I don't remember the exact cost, but if I remember correctly it was around
$225.00 for the chassis with both coats of powder.

Nick

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From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.*** Behalf
Of Franklin R. Jones
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:50 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:50:24PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red
oxide primer.


I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.

Is the powder coat glossy or flat? what did they charge you
for that? (I'm thinking about doing the same thing. just curious.)

fj..
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PostPost by: memini55 » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:58 am

Franklin,
The local shop here can do the powder coat in all forms of finish, flat,
semi-gloss and gloss finish. Lots of option on color also.
Cost for doing sand blast to front and rear frame sections of a mini cooper
and doing all the suspension parts, brake drums and hubs cost me $450. The
only thing to watch out for is any threads, shafts or races need to be taped
off before powder coating or one gets to chase all threads with a tap and
sand all the other areas down to metal again :-(
The finish is great and looks like it will holdup well.
Mark Doubet


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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:36:56 -0500



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:14 AM
To: '***@***.***'
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

Fj,

He powder coated it with the red oxide color first and then applied a flat
clear coat to make the finish dull. It turned out fantastic. The only
thing I would have done differently was to follow his recommendation on the
color. He had a color chart and recommended a specific color, but I
thought
another one was a closer match. It ends up he was probably right because
the one I chose had slightly more orange in it than I would like.
Unfortunately, the color charts aren't exact. When I did my wheels he
sprayed several samples on 2"x4" metal cards so I could see how they would
look. I would recommend asking for samples before making a final color
selection.

I don't remember the exact cost, but if I remember correctly it was around
$225.00 for the chassis with both coats of powder.

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
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Of Franklin R. Jones
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:50 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:50:24PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

> As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red
> oxide primer.

>
> I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.

Is the powder coat glossy or flat? what did they charge you
for that? (I'm thinking about doing the same thing. just curious.)

fj..






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PostPost by: grat » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:07 am

On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 06:19:37PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

Anyone know of a good shop in colorado? perferably near Denver?

I have a recommendation in Grand Junction but would have to haul the
chassis through the rockies during the winter. not ideal.

fj..

Where are you located? Maybe someone here can make a recommendation.

-----Original Message-----
From: Franklin R. Jones [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:56 PM
To: Nick Giovas
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint

On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:36:56PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:

Thanks Nick. now just gotta find someone I can trust to do it
right.

fj..
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Giovas [mailto:***@***.***
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:14 AM
> To: '***@***.***'
> Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint
>
> Fj,
>
> He powder coated it with the red oxide color first and then applied a flat
> clear coat to make the finish dull. It turned out fantastic. The only
> thing I would have done differently was to follow his recommendation on
the
> color. He had a color chart and recommended a specific color, but I
thought
> another one was a closer match. It ends up he was probably right because
> the one I chose had slightly more orange in it than I would like.
> Unfortunately, the color charts aren't exact. When I did my wheels he
> sprayed several samples on 2"x4" metal cards so I could see how they would
> look. I would recommend asking for samples before making a final color
> selection.
>
> I don't remember the exact cost, but if I remember correctly it was around
> $225.00 for the chassis with both coats of powder.
>
> Nick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf
> Of Franklin R. Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:50 PM
> To: ***@***.***
> Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] red chassis paint
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 08:50:24PM -0500, Nick Giovas wrote:
>
> > As far as I know the red color on the early chassis was just a red
> > oxide primer.
>
> >
> > I picked a reddish powder coat that is similar.
>
> Is the powder coat glossy or flat? what did they charge you
> for that? (I'm thinking about doing the same thing. just curious.)
>
> fj..
>
>
>
>
>
>
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PostPost by: holywood3645 » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:37 pm

I just completed this on my S4 had it powder coated. I had to special
order the powder and i'm very pleased with the result. I can e-mail
you photos. I had the orginal color matched and have the code. give me
an address you can receive photos
Jim
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I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
(lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered
reading

about this topic before but when I went back and searched the
archives

I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints,
powder

coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I
would

have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so
with

what? thanks, Steve

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PostPost by: Bill » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:53 am

Hi all.

My Elan, Chassis# 0538 , frame was origionly factory done in red oxid primer.

During restoration I had the frame chemically stripped - paint, rust,grease all gone and the bare metal left acid etched for finishing.

I then damn near killed myself applying a VERY TOXIC 2 part epoxy primer (for preservation). You use lots of ventilation in that process.

I overcoated with red oxid primer after the 2 part. It looks as from the factory, and the shiney spots on the frame from the oil leaks still look exceptionally origional.

Bill, 1963 S1, #26/0538
1965 S2, #26/4738
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: red chassis paint


I just completed this on my S4 had it powder coated. I had to special
order the powder and i'm very pleased with the result. I can e-mail
you photos. I had the orginal color matched and have the code. give me
an address you can receive photos
Jim
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--- In ***@***.***, "guerrilla1" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
> (lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered
reading
> about this topic before but when I went back and searched the
archives
> I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints,
powder
> coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I
would
> have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
> find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
> offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so
with
> what? thanks, Steve
>












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PostPost by: Bill » Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:57 am

PS

The wishbones on an S2 from the factory were painted a crappy gloss black. Crappy Silver on my S1. I guess that Colin got a spray bomb deal.

Powder coat them.

Iwish I did

Bill
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Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:33 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: red chassis paint


I just completed this on my S4 had it powder coated. I had to special
order the powder and i'm very pleased with the result. I can e-mail
you photos. I had the orginal color matched and have the code. give me
an address you can receive photos
Jim
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>
> I'm looking for a good color and appearance match for the OEM red
> (lead?) paint on the chassis of my S2. I thought I remembered
reading
> about this topic before but when I went back and searched the
archives
> I could find lots of discussion about epoxy primers and paints,
powder
> coatings, zinc chromate etc. but no mention of the red stuff. I
would
> have sworn I'd seen sombody advertise selling the stuff but I can't
> find it now. Any help appreciated. Also does anybody happen to know
> offhand if the wishbones were originally painted at all, and if so
with
> what? thanks, Steve
>












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