Re-built engine won't start
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Post by: jeff jackson » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:59 pm
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: s2lola » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:09 pm
Check needle valves in carbs. You may have one stuck shut................
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed. Turned over in
the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed. Turned over in
the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: Arno Church » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:22 pm
Just a maybe, are you sure that your ignition timing is not 180 deg out. If
you have spark, checked that the pump jets squirt fuel when opening the
throttle ) look into the carb choke with a torch while opening the
butterflies by hand) then the symptom indicates to the timing
Arno
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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you have spark, checked that the pump jets squirt fuel when opening the
throttle ) look into the carb choke with a torch while opening the
butterflies by hand) then the symptom indicates to the timing
Arno
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: s2lola » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:26 pm
Arno,
Watch your choise of diction here! "Torch" probably results in a really bad
outcome over here in North America!
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Just a maybe, are you sure that your ignition timing is not 180 deg out. If
you have spark, checked that the pump jets squirt fuel when opening the
throttle ) look into the carb choke with a torch while opening the
butterflies by hand) then the symptom indicates to the timing
Arno
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Sent: 15 September 2005 09:01 PM
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed. Turned over in
the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Watch your choise of diction here! "Torch" probably results in a really bad
outcome over here in North America!
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Sent: 2005/09/15 15:22
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Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Just a maybe, are you sure that your ignition timing is not 180 deg out. If
you have spark, checked that the pump jets squirt fuel when opening the
throttle ) look into the carb choke with a torch while opening the
butterflies by hand) then the symptom indicates to the timing
Arno
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Sent: 15 September 2005 09:01 PM
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed. Turned over in
the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: types26/36 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:29 pm
--- In ***@***.***, "Jeff@t..." <jeff.taylor-
jackson@t...> wrote:
Check fireing order 1342, rotor turns anti-clockwise.
You can do a compression check but unlikely it will show good specs
but shoul give some idea.
Brian
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jackson@t...> wrote:
Check fireing order 1342, rotor turns anti-clockwise.
You can do a compression check but unlikely it will show good specs
but shoul give some idea.
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Post by: kandmpc » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:54 pm
Have you checked that the correct plugs are getting the spark at the
correct time. When I was burning the midnight oil rebuilding my TC I
had a senior moment and had my newly made leads going to the wrong
plugs but just couldn't see it at the time. Next morning the mistake
was obvious and the engine started first time.
Ken
correct time. When I was burning the midnight oil rebuilding my TC I
had a senior moment and had my newly made leads going to the wrong
plugs but just couldn't see it at the time. Next morning the mistake
was obvious and the engine started first time.
Ken
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Post by: "e s" » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:54 pm
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Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:21:56 +0200
My money is there.
Do check for live spark while cranking, not just 'oughta be'
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:21:56 +0200
My money is there.
Do check for live spark while cranking, not just 'oughta be'
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Post by: tvacc » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:59 pm
Yes.been there and done that.
The only thing else I can think of..is in the dist..if you don't have the
fiber washer on the points.they will short out.
But assuming you have checked the gas.(ie spark plugs are wet) and you have
pulled a plug .grounded it and can see a spark.it has to be the timing.
There is nothing else that would allow nothing to happen.
Tony Vaccaro
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:21:56 +0200
My money is there.
Do check for live spark while cranking, not just 'oughta be'
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The only thing else I can think of..is in the dist..if you don't have the
fiber washer on the points.they will short out.
But assuming you have checked the gas.(ie spark plugs are wet) and you have
pulled a plug .grounded it and can see a spark.it has to be the timing.
There is nothing else that would allow nothing to happen.
Tony Vaccaro
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:21:56 +0200
My money is there.
Do check for live spark while cranking, not just 'oughta be'
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Post by: Martin_StuartUK » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:03 pm
As Arno says, it is possible that the cam timing is 180 degrees out. Been there, done that (with an Alfa engine with mis-marked camshafts - my excuse,anyway!!).
KISS way of checking:
1) With the cam cover and spark plugs removed, turn the engine over on the front pulley until the rotor arm in the dizzy is pointed roughly at the contact for No. 1 plug lead.
2) Stick a screwdriver down No. 1 spark plug hole and gently rotate the engine on the front pulley to confirm that the piston is at TDC.
3) (and this is the bit where you kick yourself it it is wrong!) Check thatthe cam lobes are positioned in such a way that both valves on No. 1 cylinder are closed!
If you are feeling pedantic, you can repeat this procedure for Nos. 2, 3 and 4 cylinders, too, but unless you have some very unusual cams, this is irrelevant if No. 1 cylincer is timed in correctly.
Good luck!
Martin
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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KISS way of checking:
1) With the cam cover and spark plugs removed, turn the engine over on the front pulley until the rotor arm in the dizzy is pointed roughly at the contact for No. 1 plug lead.
2) Stick a screwdriver down No. 1 spark plug hole and gently rotate the engine on the front pulley to confirm that the piston is at TDC.
3) (and this is the bit where you kick yourself it it is wrong!) Check thatthe cam lobes are positioned in such a way that both valves on No. 1 cylinder are closed!
If you are feeling pedantic, you can repeat this procedure for Nos. 2, 3 and 4 cylinders, too, but unless you have some very unusual cams, this is irrelevant if No. 1 cylincer is timed in correctly.
Good luck!
Martin
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: mikecauser » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:15 pm
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:21:56 +0200 "Arno Church" <***@***.***> wrote:
AOL! I did this with my first ever engine rebuild. Rather than taking
a lump-hammer to the engine I thought about it for 24 hours before
acting. This was on a BMC A-series engine in a Mini, so I took out the
cross-crankcase drive shaft, turned it through 180 degrees and ....
....dropped it into the bottom of the gearbox
((
So, on my second engine re-assembly in two days I was somewhat more
conscientious.
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AOL! I did this with my first ever engine rebuild. Rather than taking
a lump-hammer to the engine I thought about it for 24 hours before
acting. This was on a BMC A-series engine in a Mini, so I took out the
cross-crankcase drive shaft, turned it through 180 degrees and ....
....dropped it into the bottom of the gearbox
((
So, on my second engine re-assembly in two days I was somewhat more
conscientious.
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Post by: Briggs1 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:00 pm
All you need is spark, fuel and air.
So check them all.
Spark - Check with an inductive light on each wire - or remove and ground
and check for spark.
Make sure the plug wires are going to the right plugs (correct firing order)
Look for 180 out of time on dist.
Is the coil hooked up (wired) correctly?
Air - shouldn't be an issue- unless you have a SERIOUS filter clog.
Fuel - make sure the fuel pump is working.
Make sure the carbs are allowing fuel to pass.
After you figure it out it will have seemed obvious. Always does.
Good luck,
Briggs Pletcher
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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So check them all.
Spark - Check with an inductive light on each wire - or remove and ground
and check for spark.
Make sure the plug wires are going to the right plugs (correct firing order)
Look for 180 out of time on dist.
Is the coil hooked up (wired) correctly?
Air - shouldn't be an issue- unless you have a SERIOUS filter clog.
Fuel - make sure the fuel pump is working.
Make sure the carbs are allowing fuel to pass.
After you figure it out it will have seemed obvious. Always does.
Good luck,
Briggs Pletcher
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:01 PM
To: lotus elan net
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
Hi all,
I have just put back the engine after ages rebuilding it. Miles Wilkins
did the bottom end, QED the top end, so everything renewed.
Turned over in the car, no go at all. New points, condenser and coil, so
I have good sparks. New plugs, and fresh petrol. Plugs smell of petrol
when removed so I assume petrol is getting in.
Timed static at 10 bTDC, But still does not attempt to fire. Points set
to 15 thou, plugs gapped at 30 thou.
Have I missed something obvious? Can I do a compression test cold? Will
this tell me anything?
Sorry about the post, but I really am at my wits end.
Kind regards
Jeff 72 +2
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Post by: jeff jackson » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:37 pm
Hi thanks for all the replies!
I have sparks, checked them with a strobe light. they do appear at
around TDC.
My feeling is maybe 180 out, BUT, when I rebuilt the engine I did make
sure that the cam sprocket marks were adjacent at TDC.
number four cylinder, the cam lobes point toward each other, so cam
timing is ok ( I think).
What is this ballast resistor that goes on the coil? I had it on my
original coil, but replaced it, with another and the car still went.
My brand new coil doesnt have the ballast resistor... do I need it?
Other than timing could be the carbs I suppose.
Thanks for all the help. Will try again tomorrow!
Jeff
Briggs Pletcher wrote:
I have sparks, checked them with a strobe light. they do appear at
around TDC.
My feeling is maybe 180 out, BUT, when I rebuilt the engine I did make
sure that the cam sprocket marks were adjacent at TDC.
number four cylinder, the cam lobes point toward each other, so cam
timing is ok ( I think).
What is this ballast resistor that goes on the coil? I had it on my
original coil, but replaced it, with another and the car still went.
My brand new coil doesnt have the ballast resistor... do I need it?
Other than timing could be the carbs I suppose.
Thanks for all the help. Will try again tomorrow!
Jeff
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Post by: lotuselan2 » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:14 pm
People are not questioning your cam timing when they say 180 degrees out of
timing. What they mean is that you are firing at TDC on the wrong cylinder
(1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3). I missed a race once due to this error on my Super 7
(that was when I could drive better than I could wrench; now the opposite is
true.) All you need do is swap wires around and off you will go. If you
pull the valve cover and your distributor cover you should be ready to fire
the cylinder that has both valves closed i.e. compression stroke.
Ken
'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR
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Hi thanks for all the replies!
I have sparks, checked them with a strobe light. they do appear at
around TDC.
My feeling is maybe 180 out, BUT, when I rebuilt the engine I did make
sure that the cam sprocket marks were adjacent at TDC.
number four cylinder, the cam lobes point toward each other, so cam
timing is ok ( I think).
What is this ballast resistor that goes on the coil? I had it on my
original coil, but replaced it, with another and the car still went.
My brand new coil doesnt have the ballast resistor... do I need it?
Other than timing could be the carbs I suppose.
Thanks for all the help. Will try again tomorrow!
Jeff
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(1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3). I missed a race once due to this error on my Super 7
(that was when I could drive better than I could wrench; now the opposite is
true.) All you need do is swap wires around and off you will go. If you
pull the valve cover and your distributor cover you should be ready to fire
the cylinder that has both valves closed i.e. compression stroke.
Ken
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Hi thanks for all the replies!
I have sparks, checked them with a strobe light. they do appear at
around TDC.
My feeling is maybe 180 out, BUT, when I rebuilt the engine I did make
sure that the cam sprocket marks were adjacent at TDC.
number four cylinder, the cam lobes point toward each other, so cam
timing is ok ( I think).
What is this ballast resistor that goes on the coil? I had it on my
original coil, but replaced it, with another and the car still went.
My brand new coil doesnt have the ballast resistor... do I need it?
Other than timing could be the carbs I suppose.
Thanks for all the help. Will try again tomorrow!
Jeff
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Post by: mikecauser » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:17 pm
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:39 +0100 "***@***.***" <***@***.***> wrote:
Sure, but on a Twink the distributor is driven off the jackshaft (was
the camshaft in the Ford pushrod configuration). So the cam timing
marks don't come into it.
Have rebuilt three Twinks so far and not yet b*ggered one up. However
my time will come....
... but there's a parallel twin two-smoke [1], a Vee twin [2] and a Vee four [3] in
the queue first. Lots of FUBAR points on the table.
[1] English
[2] Italian
[3] Japanese
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Sure, but on a Twink the distributor is driven off the jackshaft (was
the camshaft in the Ford pushrod configuration). So the cam timing
marks don't come into it.
Have rebuilt three Twinks so far and not yet b*ggered one up. However
my time will come....
... but there's a parallel twin two-smoke [1], a Vee twin [2] and a Vee four [3] in
the queue first. Lots of FUBAR points on the table.
[1] English
[2] Italian
[3] Japanese
Mike
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Post by: tvacc » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:26 pm
With crank set to TDC and the timing marks on the cams lined up with each
other.. you insert the dist.the wire connection that comes from the coil
should be right at the 12 oclock..or closest to the head. You start
inserting it with the rotor (part that hits the connection for the spark) at
about 9 oclock. As you insert the dist..it will roatate clockwise to number
one cylinder. (about 10 oclock)
What I do then is put the crank to 12 degrees BTC and then put an ohm meter
between ground and that wire that goes to the back of the dist.
I gently turn the dist within its travel and you should get conductivity
.then none.turn it back counter clockwise so you get conductivity.and that
will be the correct timing. You now know that #1 is at about 10 oclock on
the dist..so put your #1 wire in there. Then keep going clock wise with the
correct firing order.
This is what we mean by being 180 out. Some people put the dist in wrong..or
put it in 180 degress out.
Tony Vaccaro
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:39 +0100 "***@***.***"
<***@***.***> wrote:
Sure, but on a Twink the distributor is driven off the jackshaft (was
the camshaft in the Ford pushrod configuration). So the cam timing
marks don't come into it.
Have rebuilt three Twinks so far and not yet b*ggered one up. However
my time will come....
... but there's a parallel twin two-smoke [1], a Vee twin [2] and a Vee four
[3] in
the queue first. Lots of FUBAR points on the table.
[1] English
[2] Italian
[3] Japanese
Mike
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other.. you insert the dist.the wire connection that comes from the coil
should be right at the 12 oclock..or closest to the head. You start
inserting it with the rotor (part that hits the connection for the spark) at
about 9 oclock. As you insert the dist..it will roatate clockwise to number
one cylinder. (about 10 oclock)
What I do then is put the crank to 12 degrees BTC and then put an ohm meter
between ground and that wire that goes to the back of the dist.
I gently turn the dist within its travel and you should get conductivity
.then none.turn it back counter clockwise so you get conductivity.and that
will be the correct timing. You now know that #1 is at about 10 oclock on
the dist..so put your #1 wire in there. Then keep going clock wise with the
correct firing order.
This is what we mean by being 180 out. Some people put the dist in wrong..or
put it in 180 degress out.
Tony Vaccaro
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Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Re-built engine won't start
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:39 +0100 "***@***.***"
<***@***.***> wrote:
Sure, but on a Twink the distributor is driven off the jackshaft (was
the camshaft in the Ford pushrod configuration). So the cam timing
marks don't come into it.
Have rebuilt three Twinks so far and not yet b*ggered one up. However
my time will come....
... but there's a parallel twin two-smoke [1], a Vee twin [2] and a Vee four
[3] in
the queue first. Lots of FUBAR points on the table.
[1] English
[2] Italian
[3] Japanese
Mike
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Lotus&w1=Lotus+note+crm&w2=Lotus&w3=Lot
us+note+domino&w4=Lotus+notes&w5=Lotus+note+development&w6=Elan+hotel+modern
&c=6&s=122&.sig=SNKRJ15rWu-uM-t5ZWzfEg>
Lotus
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Lotus+note+domino&w1=Lotus+note+crm&w2=
Lotus&w3=Lotus+note+domino&w4=Lotus+notes&w5=Lotus+note+development&w6=Elan+
hotel+modern&c=6&s=122&.sig=_B20pewfjcpQrykeFObCWQ> note domino
Lotus
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Lotus+notes&w1=Lotus+note+crm&w2=Lotus&
w3=Lotus+note+domino&w4=Lotus+notes&w5=Lotus+note+development&w6=Elan+hotel+
modern&c=6&s=122&.sig=MMeWHq812EsY4oACXICy7A> notes
Lotus
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Lotus+note+development&w1=Lotus+note+cr
m&w2=Lotus&w3=Lotus+note+domino&w4=Lotus+notes&w5=Lotus+note+development&w6=
Elan+hotel+modern&c=6&s=122&.sig=MoHxE0_pVQfBEYPKVNLVqQ> note development
Elan
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Elan+hotel+modern&w1=Lotus+note+crm&w2=
Lotus&w3=Lotus+note+domino&w4=Lotus+notes&w5=Lotus+note+development&w6=Elan+
hotel+modern&c=6&s=122&.sig=OqVtcMMLn1B01x2LWGvxhw> hotel modern
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99 Elise190, 05 Elise, 2005 MiataSpeed Turbo
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