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Security systems

PostPost by: type36lotus » Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:05 pm

Anyone install a real security system in their Elan? If so, what
model, brand, etc. Is it even worth the expense and effort? Any
other opinions on doing this are welcome.

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PostPost by: steveww » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:06 pm

Due to the fact that there are not any complex electronic systems on the
Elan any clever imobiliser system is going to be a waste of time. I
would think that a physical security system would be the best, like a
steering lock for example.

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Anyone install a real security system in their Elan? If so, what
model, brand, etc. Is it even worth the expense and effort? Any
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PostPost by: foggy » Sun Dec 19, 2004 5:36 pm

I'd suggest a battery switch as for racing. use the sort with the
ignition turn off switch. Hid eit or leave it in plain sight. Not
too many hooligans have a race car battery key in their pocket.

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Due to the fact that there are not any complex electronic systems
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Elan any clever imobiliser system is going to be a waste of time. I
would think that a physical security system would be the best, like
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steering lock for example.

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PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:10 am

I agree entirely with this......I have one fitted through the bulk head
and the key is accessed just about the handbrake handle (in the off
position) ie hidden behind the dash but easy to get at when you know
where it is.....
Cheers
G

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I'd suggest a battery switch as for racing. use the sort with the
ignition turn off switch. Hid eit or leave it in plain sight. Not
too many hooligans have a race car battery key in their pocket.

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Due to the fact that there are not any complex electronic systems
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Elan any clever imobiliser system is going to be a waste of time. I
would think that a physical security system would be the best, like
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steering lock for example.

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PostPost by: "Jeff at tiscali&quo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:25 am

When I bought the Plus 2 the PO had fitted a switch in line with the ignition via an oil pressure switch. Therefore if anyone tried to start the car, it would fire, but as soon as the oil pressure came up the ignition would cut out. The idea was that the potential thief would be confused as to why the engine would start and then die, and get fed up and leave the car. Probably would have gotten so angry that they would have torched it.
Simple but effective.
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:04 am

Gareth
Thanks for the info,i'll be round tonight to relieve you of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burglar Bill


Gareth Flanagan <***@***.***> wrote:

I agree entirely with this......I have one fitted through the bulk head
and the key is accessed just about the handbrake handle (in the off
position) ie hidden behind the dash but easy to get at when you know
where it is.....
Cheers
G
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PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:12 am

Cleggie
Do you have a spare cut off key???......as mine is locked away somewhere
else......
Think there is only you who know where I live what my car is and where I
keep my car.......but I know what you mean.....lurkers.......beware
Cheers
G

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Gareth
Thanks for the info,i'll be round tonight to relieve you of
it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burglar Bill


Gareth Flanagan <***@***.***> wrote:

I agree entirely with this......I have one fitted through the bulk head
and the key is accessed just about the handbrake handle (in the off
position) ie hidden behind the dash but easy to get at when you know
where it is..... Cheers G










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PostPost by: M100 » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:00 pm

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:03:57 -0000, "Michael Geiger"
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Anyone install a real security system in their Elan? If so, what
model, brand, etc. Is it even worth the expense and effort? Any
other opinions on doing this are welcome.

Low life will knife the hood/smash the windows/screwdriver the
locks/prise the doors anyway so being careful where you park is in my
mind almost as good as an audible alarm. The fact you can hotwire an
Elan especially one without a steering lock in maybe 10 secs means an
immobiliser is probably much more use, hence the reason I recently
fitted a Toad Powerkey proximity immobiliser which if professionally
fitted/post install checked conforms to UK Thatcham Category 2.

Basically you have the transponder key (about 1.5 inches x 0.5 inches)
as an additional item on your key ring. When the key comes close to
the ignition switch it activates two circuits of your choice. Mine
being the ignition/starter which I admit is relatively easy to bypass,
the other being the fuel supply via a remote solenoid valve which is
well hidden away on the car (as is the immobiliser box)

In use it requires no thought apart from I suppose remembering to take
the keys with you at all times - difficult I know with age ;-) Retail
on the immobiliser is around 100 quid plus fitting but you can buy
them new for 40 quid on Ebay. The solenoid cost about 25 quid

I also have additional security measures fitted to the car that tell
me someone is very close / in the car that signal this silently to me
via a pager.


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PostPost by: steveww » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:17 pm

I have one of those small battery switches that fits directly on to the
battery terminal. As such it is locked in the boot (trunk). I always
ensure that the switch is off if I am leaving the car somewhere where I
am not sure of the security.

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Gareth
Thanks for the info,i'll be round tonight to relieve you of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burglar Bill


Gareth Flanagan <***@***.***> wrote:

I agree entirely with this......I have one fitted through the bulk head
and the key is accessed just about the handbrake handle (in the off
position) ie hidden behind the dash but easy to get at when you know
where it is.....
Cheers
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PostPost by: theelanman » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:08 pm

holy smoke batman.......how much does that lot weigh......I do have an additional flick switch somewhere too which is a secondary back up......I prefer the cut off switch its 'dead' simple in does the trick and for your more oportunist thief a complete befuddler.....at the end of the day if they really really want it they'll have it....even if it means towing it...if its kids or amateurs pratting about then it'll still be there when you come back....they put it down to it being 'an old car'......
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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:14 pm

I've often thought about fitting a battery cut-off switch mid-way down the inside rocker panel, just in front of the seat. Then there is no need to doanything special outside the vehicle and if Alli-baba were watching, he wouldn't even see you put the key into the battery switch, as you'd do it while seated in the car, it would be a clean installation and the battery cable is already running through the rocker panel.

>> ***@***.*** 12/20/04 5:09:08 AM >>>

I agree entirely with this......I have one fitted through the bulk head
and the key is accessed just about the handbrake handle (in the off
position) ie hidden behind the dash but easy to get at when you know
where it is.....
Cheers
G

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Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Security systems




I'd suggest a battery switch as for racing. use the sort with the
ignition turn off switch. Hid eit or leave it in plain sight. Not
too many hooligans have a race car battery key in their pocket.

--- In ***@***.***, Steve Waterworth <[email protected]>
wrote:
Due to the fact that there are not any complex electronic systems
on the

Elan any clever imobiliser system is going to be a waste of time. I
would think that a physical security system would be the best, like
a

steering lock for example.

Michael Geiger wrote:
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> Anyone install a real security system in their Elan? If so, what
> model, brand, etc. Is it even worth the expense and effort? Any
> other opinions on doing this are welcome.
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PostPost by: "Fred Talmadge" » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:30 pm

I agree with G, there's not really much you can do if they want it. But
to help I use a old style Lucas battery switch (which I recently
replaced for $90!) and a fuel pump cutoff. Now I just hope the
low-lifes don't tear the car up in frustration.

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PostPost by: M100 » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:43 pm

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:07:54 -0500, ***@***.***e:

holy smoke batman.......how much does that lot weigh

The electronics weigh next to nothing, the fuel solenoid is by far the
heftiest item so my complete system weighs around couple of pounds at
the most.

I've added lightness by dumping the brake servo, but I suppose if you
wanted to take it further you could replace the ignition switch, key
and lock with a starter pushbutton and save even more weight :-)


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PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:55 pm

Ah...so you just did the imobilser bit......not bothered with the
tracker and all the other bits of gps nicked car location technology
gizmos....as for the method of starting...what about bump
starting...just leave it on a hill (pointing the right way of course)
just plug your battery disconector in and roll down the hill......
Lol
Cheers
G

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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:07:54 -0500, ***@***.***e:

holy smoke batman.......how much does that lot weigh

The electronics weigh next to nothing, the fuel solenoid is by far the
heftiest item so my complete system weighs around couple of pounds at
the most.

I've added lightness by dumping the brake servo, but I suppose if you
wanted to take it further you could replace the ignition switch, key and
lock with a starter pushbutton and save even more weight :-)


Martin

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PostPost by: richboyd » Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:13 pm

Advantage for electric fuel pump: it can be wired to not operate - as a
security device. Hidden switch, etc. Harder to figure out (and by-pass)
than hot-wiring an ignition.

Question: The standard simple-minded old-guy method is hidden switch that
grounds the points. Can this same circuit be used with optical/magnetic
ignition systems, like the Pertronix/Aldon Ignitor?

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