Relays for windows

[elansprint71]

Steve,
You must not have been in Normandy last year- every village and one horse town was decked out with American, Canadian and British flags to commemorate the 60th anniversary. Even just speaking in English on the streets was enough to get you hugs from French grannies!
Cheers,
Pete


Thank you for remembering! Many folks on your side of the pond seem
to have forgotten that lately - especially those on the eastern side
of the Channel.

Steve B.

[marcfuller]

Pete,

Thanks for mentioning the D-Day recognition last year. I wasn't there but
had relatives who did visit the beaches, and they said it was astonishing -
heartfelt memorials from both the generations that sacrificed and all the
subsequent generations that benefited from the Allied effort. The photos
and stories were deeply touching. Humanities's best when confronted with
the worst.

It is amazing the commitment, cooperation, shared sacrifice and heroic
efforts that come about from differing societies/people when confronted
with real threats, actual weapons of mass destruction and true malevolent
aggression.

-Marc


At 08:04 AM 1/23/2005, you wrote:

[LotuSport]

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Actually, we have to pay extra for the PWs. It's a part of the
Touring Package. Buy the "base" car, and you have to crank 'em
yourself.

No wimp here; I broke the car in over 1071 miles in 1-1/2 days
bringing it home to Denver from Houston, Texas. I didn't even get
out of Texas on the first day! (If you need a mild shock, overlay
a map of Texas over Britain or any other EU country -- same scale
map, of course. No, I'm NOT a Texan.)

8^D

Best regards,
Bob
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[richboyd]

I've always been under the impression that later Elans used electric
windows because this arrangement could keep the weight down - compared to a
crank mechanism. Could be wrong - and I don't know where I got this
impression (pure imagination on my part?). This rationale was brought up in
the context of the Elise, but was it true for the Elan?

Or were electric windows a move to pander to the luxury-car crowd? Elans
were pricy when new. Anyone know for certain why the factory went electric?
Space concerns? Weight? Image? Folly?

Bob,
Your statement "I broke the car in over 1071 miles" can be interpreted a
couple of ways. "How many miles did it take you to break you car?" for
example. Know what you meant, I think, but ...

Rich Boyd


At 08:22 AM 1/24/2005, you wrote:

[poiuyt]

Pete,

No, I was not there - but I would have liked to see that.

Steve

--- In ***@***.***, "elansprint71" <elansprint71@b...>
wrote:

to commemorate the 60th anniversary. Even just speaking in English on
the streets was enough to get you hugs from French grannies!

[elansprint71]

Steve, you should have seen some of those Grannies, though!!!

Pete
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Pete,

No, I was not there - but I would have liked to see that.

Steve

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wrote:

to commemorate the 60th anniversary. Even just speaking in English on
the streets was enough to get you hugs from French grannies!



















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[c.beijersbergen]

As a design engineer, I suspect the modern electric window winding systems
to be cheaper than a hand driven mechanical system. With the modern electric
motors they won't be much heavier as well. So with the achievable higher
selling price electric drive is the solution nowadays.
In the Elan days the weight of the electric drive was certainly higher than
the hand driven variety (dismantle your door one time and see for yourself),
and certainly more expensive. So my guess is that the electric drive on
Elans was used mainly to justify the price level of an Elan.

Cor Beijersbergen van Henegouwen

[M100]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:43:36 -0800, Richard Boyd
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Anyone know for certain why the factory went electric?

It doubt it would be for weight considerations as the motors are a bit
hefty and a damn sight more expensive compared to a few bits of
pressed steel and a plastic handle that you would find on 60's mass
produced cars. A manual cranked system would probably put the
handle/mech right where your arm would fit into the door recess
whereas the motor moves the bulk of the mechanism down and away from
this area leaving a bit more elbow room.

Of course the choice of electrics could all be down to the innovative
ice breaker frame flex system Chapman mentioned to a wide eyed (GM?)
engineer at some motor show.

Martin

72/45
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[Frank Howard]

It's my understanding that the reason Chapman decided on electric windows was
the fact that there simply was no room for a hand crank without interfering
with one's leg.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota

["e s"]

In the Elan, it is probably space more than weight, try cranking an imaginary window winder while seated in the car, not fun. If you make the decisionto install poewr windows in a given car, it may be cheaper to install in all of them, rather than design 2 systems. In the Elise I think the origianlwinders are more about attitude than weight.
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[poiuyt]

My guess is that it was to pass safety regulations - especially in
the US. Those window handles, after all, might cause a bruise when
you get run over by a dump truck. Remember, this is the country
that forced the manufacturers to get rid of their hood ornaments
cause they may injure pedestrians (as if this makes a difference to
the pedestrian after he is hit by the 4000 pound sedan it's
connected to!).

Steve B.


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["e s"]

Oh, and the EU is implementing pedestrian safety regs as we speak....

Jags still have the leaper...........
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[davidallen]

Yes, that is what I have read as well.

David

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It's my understanding that the reason Chapman decided on electric windows
was
the fact that there simply was no room for a hand crank without interfering
with one's leg.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota