Trim Board Questions

[elansprint71]

Ian,
You are obviously not holding your Mole grips correctly.

I appear to have mistaken the back of the bulb holder for the back of a removable bulb holder! I must be 20 years ahead of myself. I suppose that I should post a retraction, but no doubt someone will put me in my place beforelong!

Cheers,

Pete
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From: Ian Phillips
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Pete

How do the holes help when changing bulbs? I have always had to remove the lens as far as I knew/know the bulbholder is swaged into the Mazak backplate.

Ian Phillips

PS your shaft is safe and well


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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Trim Board Questions


Stan,
The 4 large holes allow you to change the lamps without removing the board (on an S4), I think that the S3 will either not have them, or have themelsewhere, in line with the lamps.

Cheers,

Pete















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[elansprint71]

Stan,
I appear to have posted some bullshit regarding the S4 holes- what I took to be removable bulb holders are in fact fixed (20 years too early for that!). Yo do have to remove the lenses to get at the lamps- shows ho many I have changed.
The E-type rear lights have the lamps sticking out of the rear, there is a slot in the glass fibre back panel which allows them to stick through, eventhis is not enough and they need the holes in the fibre board. The result is that the rear lamp holders and their vulnerable wires stick through unprotected into the luggage space!

Sorry for the confusion,

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Aarhus
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Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Trim Board Summary


Hi All,

Thanks very much for all the great responses. I now know more than I ever dared hope for about the trimbords. I'll summarize the key points gleanedfrom the various responses. Please add or correct, I think this is basically the chronology for the various configurations/models.

The S1 and S2 with the individual round lamps used the "C" shaped metal individual covers to protect the back of the lamps.

The S1 and S2 also had little loops attached to the covers for holding the top stays when stored.

The early S3 Coupe', with the horizontal Vauxhaul lamps used the trim board without the large holes.

The S4 Coupe' used the trim board with the vertical holes to provide bulbchanging access to the Jaguar type lamps.

Other hardware bits and pieces depend on which parts manual you have. They seem to be divided between S1 and S2 in one and S3 and later for the other, pub. dated 07.70.

Thanks gain!

Stan

[Elan45]

Stan,

I will have to look later today, but I'd guess 1966. If you will send me your fax # off list, I will fax 2 pages to you today.

Roger



Another member graciously sent along a tracing of what turns out to be an S4 version, but will work just fine. I thank you for your kind offer.

Yes I would be interested in your scans, whenever you're able to do it. I'm wondering why my parts book doesn't show the bits you describe. It showsboth the early and the later Coupe's with both style later tail lamps. What is the part number and/or pub date of your manual?

Thanks again!

Stan

I still have the original "boot wall" from my FHC 4 numbers later than yours. I offered to trace it for you but you got a better deal of a drawing so I did nothing. I still have the panel and I don't remember any such holesin it.

I will also be happy to fax you the 2 pages from the coupe parts book showing the panel, screws and tinnermans. I don't have my scanner set up yet, but when I do, I can scan a few pages for you or others. The whole book is about 150 pages, so unless my scanner is a lot faster than I'm used to, I won't have that much time until I retire.

We must remember that the "Coupe" was Lotus 1st attempt to take the Elan upscale. Jeez, it even had electric windows! So proper carpets and even carpeting and boot walls were necessary for that image.

The S1-2 didn't have a boot wall panel. My S2 parts car also had the channels to cover the rear lamps to keep from items hitting them inside the boot. Those channels also had one other use, necessary for those early models but not on the later FHC and even the DHC.

There were little straps fastened to them for lashing the 2 hood sticks (that fit between the side cant rails when the hood is erected) to the channels when the hood is stowed. These are little black or OD colored canvas, maybe 3/4" wide. Now you know how to make them quit rattling.

Roger


I have the S3-S4 parts book (07.70) and it doesn't show the S1-S2 version of these parts. My parts list shows the two mounting brackets and a total of 4 each "Tapp-it". No description of Tapp-it on the Hardware Part Coding page. I suspect that two of these are used for the mounting brackets and the other two are for the latch bracket. The list doesn't show any Tinnerman clips, but the two mounting brackets still have them. I suspect that the other two are used for mounting to the latch bracket. I'm going to useTinnerman, sheet metal screws and flat washers in all four locations.
I am definately interested in knowing if anyone elses have the large holes.

Thanks again!

Stan


Stan,

The S1-2/Coupe parts book doesn't show the holes because of the orientation of the panel. But under the panel in the listing, typical Lotus fashion, is the following:

Screw (boot wall mounting) No. 10 x 1/2" long and next line lists a
P/N SNU 0537 Spring Nut - No. 10.
Quantity for both is 4.
Interpretation to me would read #10 sheet metal screw x 1/2" long and #10 "U" shaped Tinnerman type sheet metal nut.

I can look at my original panel, er boot wall, to see if it has the large holes you've described, if you want me to.

Roger



Am reconstructing my S3 Coupe's Boot Trim Board from the CAD drawing and the tracing. Two questions. First, what is the purpose of the two vertically oriented 1.25" holes at each end of the board? They don't seem to line up with anything on the tail lights and I don't remember having those onmy original. Since my original trim board disapeared around 1975, my memory may not be accurate. The parts list drawing does show them, but smaller...

The other question is what kind of fastener is used to attach the trim board to the boot lock assembly. Since the holes are quite large at 5/16" and it would be very difficult to get a wrench behind the bracket with the panel in place, I'm wondering if some sort of push in fastener might have been used.

TIA!

Stan A





















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[brassringfarm]

I don't have trim boards but would like to make them. Were they aluminum, steel or cardboard for an S2? About how wide? Just enough to cover the lamps, or larger? Assume they were 'top-hat' shaped and bolted onto the studs that hold the lamp assembly to the body
Paul Zimmerman
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[s2lola]

Stan,

Re......" The S1 and S2 with the individual round lamps used the "C" shaped
metal individual covers to protect the back of the lamps", may be corect,
but my S2 has these and does not have the individual lamps.....

Cheers,
Bill Tebbutt


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[gobw2]

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:23:31 -0600 "Stan Aarhus" <***@***.***>
writes:
Hi All,
16" and it would be very difficult to get a wrench behind the bracket
with the panel in place, I'm wondering if some sort of push in fastener
might have been used.

TIA!

Stan A
S3 - tinnerman nuts on lock assembly and tail lamp brackets, slotted
sheet metal screws with heads painted black thru fibre trim panel -
george








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[gobw2]

You don"t, Mike The lamp assemblies are between panel and body . If the
electrical system is operating correctly, and you do not drive over
broken pavement, give car sudden, fillament jarring jolts, it will be
many, many miles before a bulb burns out. since it is so infrequent,
removing the screws is ok. what I used to hate was "checking the battery
electrolyte every fortnight". Had to unbolt the thing and lift it off the
shelf to remove the red cover and look inside the 6 cells, then put it
all back and not get anything on my clothes or the trunk floor pad, for
surely they will have holes by the next morning. George

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 23:22:29 -0000 "Michael Geiger"
<***@***.***> writes:
Hmm, and I was told those boxes were for 26R Elans. My S3 had the
cardboard panel. Now has a masonite panel covered with vinyl
fabric. And how do change the lites through those little holes? Are
the sockets and wires inside the boot as opposed to between the
panel and the rear of the boot.

Mike G.
66 S3 Coupe'

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[gobw2]

? now I am confused - I just went out and took the bulbholders out, held
them in my hand on my S3 - Mine do come out from the back. George

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:06:31 -0000 "elansprint71"
<***@***.***> writes:
Ian,
You are obviously not holding your Mole grips correctly.

I appear to have mistaken the back of the bulb holder for the back of a
removable bulb holder! I must be 20 years ahead of myself. I suppose that
I should post a retraction, but no doubt someone will put me in my place
before long!

Cheers,

Pete
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From: Ian Phillips
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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Trim Board Questions


Pete

How do the holes help when changing bulbs? I have always had to remove
the lens as far as I knew/know the bulbholder is swaged into the Mazak
backplate.

Ian Phillips

PS your shaft is safe and well


----- Original Message -----
From: elansprint71
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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Trim Board Questions


Stan,
The 4 large holes allow you to change the lamps without removing the
board (on an S4), I think that the S3 will either not have them, or have
them elsewhere, in line with the lamps.

Cheers,

Pete

















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[summerinmaine]

Both of my S2s have the Vauxhall oval light clusters, the bulbs load
from the back (boot), and the bulb holders are covered with the "C"
shields with no trim board.

Jim

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[saarhus]

Jim,

Interesting, is this the standard tail light configuration for S2s? If so, I need to tweek my summary. Thanks!

Stan


Both of my S2s have the Vauxhall oval light clusters, the bulbs load
from the back (boot), and the bulb holders are covered with the "C"
shields with no trim board.

Jim

[summerinmaine]

Stan,

Yes, AFAIK the switch from the round, separate tail lamps to the oval
cluster (2 piece, orange/red) was one of the "semi-defining" changes
from the S1 to the S2. R&R state that the chassis no. boundary was
4126-4127, however, which would mean that the first 200+ S2s
(assuming no number fiddles) had the earlier, separate tail lamps.

Jim

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[Rob_LaMoreaux]

The original email said that the S4 bulbs came out the back of the light cluster, which is wrong. The S3 may come out the back of the assembly, but the S4 bulbs are changed by removing the lens.

Rob LaMoreaux
Ann Arbor, MI USA
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1969 Lotus Elan....It's not a restoration, it's a never-ending adventure.

[Bill]

Stan, I am late on getting into this subject but some S2's had the Vauxal tail lites with the C shaped metal protectors my 4814 has and they are of a different length than thos on my 1600 (0538)

More confusion? I could measure the comparative length if needed by anyone.

Stick / ice

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Aarhus
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Trim Board Summary


Hi All,

Thanks very much for all the great responses. I now know more than I ever dared hope for about the trimbords. I'll summarize the key points gleanedfrom the various responses. Please add or correct, I think this is basically the chronology for the various configurations/models.

The S1 and S2 with the individual round lamps used the "C" shaped metal individual covers to protect the back of the lamps.

The S1 and S2 also had little loops attached to the covers for holding the top stays when stored.

The early S3 Coupe', with the horizontal Vauxhaul lamps used the trim board without the large holes.

The S4 Coupe' used the trim board with the vertical holes to provide bulbchanging access to the Jaguar type lamps.

Other hardware bits and pieces depend on which parts manual you have. They seem to be divided between S1 and S2 in one and S3 and later for the other, pub. dated 07.70.

Thanks gain!

Stan