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PostPost by: Kickstart » Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:30 pm

Appologies if this seems like a very basic question. I currently have a 1969 Marcos 3 litre and I would like to have a car that was eligible for events such as the Nurburgring Marathon and the Spa 6 hours which effectively means a pre 66 FIA papered car.

Clearly I would love an original Lotus 26R but short of selling the house/getting divorced that is somewhat unaffordable. I appreciate I could build up a 26R replica but do I have to do this on a series 1 or 2 Elan as they seem rare and expensive compared with series 3/4 cars ?

Also can one get FIA papers for a "normal" racing Elan rather than a 26R replica

I really don't want to make an expensive mistake

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PostPost by: toomspj » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:12 pm

You can get FIA papers for a normal racing Elan (as a GTS car). I have them for my '63 S1.

So far as I know if you want Appendix K papers then it has to be an S1 or an S2 (with S1's being the more expensive)

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PostPost by: gino1 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:58 pm

Hi Paul,
I don't think that's so true as my S3 coup? is Period "F" class GT.
I'm no expert but you can obtain a fiche for any car but it is the period that is the important factor. Period "F" can in fact race with S1's and S2's. I've seen some S4 Elans and they race in period "G" being outside of the 66 period.
If you find an early S3 pre-66 should be OK..but don't take my word as final, please ask other members that are surely more updated than me.

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PostPost by: Ross Robbins » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:11 pm

I don't know what the exchange rate and shipping costs might be but this looks pretty good to me!

http://www.wirewheel.com/1964-Lotus-Ela ... -soon.html
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PostPost by: stugilmour » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:36 am

Nice car Ross! Would love a test drive! 8)
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PostPost by: gino1 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:32 am

Looks very cheap to me at 65000$$ when there are two for sale in Uk, one at ?149,000 and the other over one hundred thousand pounds in UK and then there are 26R replicas for sale at 70 - 80 thousand Euros.
There are some nice details to the car though: I like the rose jointed tie bar underneath and the exhaust pipe.. very nice job.

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PostPost by: pharriso » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:36 pm

gino1 wrote:Looks very cheap to me at 65000$$ when there are two for sale in Uk, one at ?149,000 and the other over one hundred thousand pounds in UK and then there are 26R replicas for sale at 70 - 80 thousand Euros.
There are some nice details to the car though: I like the rose jointed tie bar underneath and the exhaust pipe.. very nice job.

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Thought to be a replica, but it does look nice...
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PostPost by: Dag-Henning » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:22 am

gino1 wrote:Hi Paul,
I don't think that's so true as my S3 coup? is Period "F" class GT.
I'm no expert but you can obtain a fiche for any car but it is the period that is the important factor. Period "F" can in fact race with S1's and S2's. I've seen some S4 Elans and they race in period "G" being outside of the 66 period.
If you find an early S3 pre-66 should be OK..but don't take my word as final, please ask other members that are surely more updated than me.

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If you are to run an Elan , - a 26R genuine or replica -, in periode "F", there is no way you can use anything but a S1 or S2. (!) Homologation nr. 127. A coupe Elan is definately a periode "G" car.
You can run a std. narrow body, or make a 26R replika. There is huge difference, as the latter would accomodate wider 5.25 M13 tyres, - versus the 4.50 M13 for the narrow body. ( - you will for sure be using Dunlop Racing CR65....)
With the homologation papers and the App.K ( - and J ) in hand, you can find out what you can and not......AppK. is not easy reading, and you must focus on rules for "Homologated Competition Grand Touring cars". It is easy to go wrong
here......If you have specific questions, put them on this forum. Many of us have been through the rules etc. already, and will be happy to assist you.......Best of luck !
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PostPost by: gino1 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:53 pm

Hi Dag,
Don't think so... see my Fiche.

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PostPost by: Dag-Henning » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:51 pm

Hello Gino ! Yes, allthough a bit difficult, I can see your FIA papers are stamped "F" . However, the type 36 was first delivered in sept. 65 with chassisnbr. 4510, but was first homologated in Febr. 1966 with papers nbr. 527. I do not think there is an ammendment in the 127-papers catering for a coupe, but I will check tonight to be sure....If there is, then I am wrong.....If not, keep your papers and don't tell anyone..... :wink:
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PostPost by: Dag-Henning » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:18 pm

Gino, as hard as it may be,( :D ) it seems you are right, and I am wrong ! If I read the list af additions to homologation 127, there is one listed in 10.65 that appearently says E/ V ( evolution) " Coupe = final " or something like that. That must be the last ammendment of the period ! Then, yes, you can run a type 36 in periode F, with periode F spec.
But, since it is an "evolution", you have to run it "as is" .I do not believe you can add wider arches etc. Can you please let us know the rest of the specification of your car?
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PostPost by: gino1 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:47 pm

Hi Dag,

I'm glad you confirmed this as I purchased this with this "bonus" that could be handy one day :wink: !!
The car is in GT class and was used for hill climbing. Infact the car is basically standard apart from adjustable suspension and LSD, solid drive shafts, FIA petrol tank, etc. It has the standard 3:9 diff as was original from the factory. It is a very early coup? pre airflow like another one I have.
The wheel sizes are standard on the fiche, whilst on the S2 I have there two fiches for this car ; both in period "F" one is class GTS and the other fiche is GTP with denotes much larger tyres, but the rest of the configuration is more or less identical to the Coup?.

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