Any idea why the 1974 Europa would look like this?

PostPost by: tdskip » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:45 pm

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This car has a 1974 VIN but no secondary lights on front hood. Any ideas why?

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PostPost by: Esprit2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:50 pm

Personal choice. It's not uncommon for owners to remove the "wart" turn indicators. Early Europas didn't have the warts, and many consider that "clean" look to be the best version of the Europa nose.

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PostPost by: tdskip » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:05 pm

Ah, thanks.
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PostPost by: denicholls2 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:43 pm

Esprit2 wrote:Personal choice. It's not uncommon for owners to remove the "wart" turn indicators. Early Europas didn't have the warts, and many consider that "clean" look to be the best version of the Europa nose.

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Seconding Tim's comment, I've considered taking the warts off my Type 54. It is also possible that the car received a nose replacement from an S1 donor -- the bodies are that similar throughout production.

There was also a change introduced in the Type 65 regarding the fender lines. Type 54 and earlier had a rounded top line in profile view, Type 65 and later had a flat line that looks a bit unnatural. This was done because of U.S. headlight height regulations, but is undesirable to most and might also be a reason for grafting an early nose, particularly if an incident required a replacement nose anyway. Nose replacements generally make the cut right about where the difference is introduced.
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PostPost by: tdskip » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:43 pm

Thanks!
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PostPost by: mark030358 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:03 am

The noses of the S2 to the twink are very different. I knew someone that grafted a front 1/4 from an S2 nose onto a damaged twink and to same it just didnt look right was obvious. The grille opening being one, and the top of the wings being a bit flatter iirc.

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PostPost by: tdskip » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:25 pm

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Thanks.

So where would you all value a cosmetically decent but non-running ‘74 Twin Cam. Lots of unknowns still, interior and paint look driver+, is complete but carbs are off for some reason. Engine spins freely however.
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PostPost by: tdskip » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:31 pm

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PostPost by: tdskip » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:35 pm

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PostPost by: SENC » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:44 pm

You might get more input from our friends at the Europa forum: http://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php

My very limited impression is that there are fairly complete non-runners out there for $7-9k.
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PostPost by: tdskip » Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:53 pm

Thank you for the introduction, I’ll go take a look and ask over there as well.

I know the value could swing massively on the condition of the engine or transmission or frame etc., just a lot of unknowns but I thought you all would have some thoughts because I’m sure there’s overlap in ownership.
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PostPost by: Certified Lotus » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:34 pm

It’s missing the Impossible to find ashtray. 25% discount.

Seriously, ask on the Europa website.

Or better yet, you can buy my fully restored and very quick Europa on BAT and be driving next week!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972- ... win-cam-8/
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PostPost by: tdskip » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:58 pm

That is yours?

WOW, what a car!
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PostPost by: Certified Lotus » Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:51 pm

Thanks. A three year restoration.
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