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PostPost by: Craven » Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:19 pm

Very likely a ‘C’ reg, you need someone well up on UK reg as I believe AR + B would not be a correct number.
Surely you are aware of this very famous ‘7’
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PostPost by: SENC » Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:34 pm

Craven wrote:Very likely a ‘C’ reg, you need someone well up on UK reg as I believe AR + B would not be a correct number.

Familiar with KAR120C, but still need to download/stream the show as I have not seen it.

Re: registration numbers, I thought I understood the AR referred to the registration locale (Hertfordshire, I think) and the suffix to the year built (B=64, C=65). Have I misunderstood or found faulty information? Or is there some other reason AR + B wouldn't fit together?
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PostPost by: Craven » Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:18 pm

Only have limited resources but for instants, Chelmsford used, AR, JN, HJ, HK, PU, may be more but it’s combination that showup bogus numbers. That’s why I say you need some other cross reference.
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:32 pm

Great stuff, please keep us informed of progress.
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PostPost by: Geoffers71 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:18 pm

AR is Hertfordshire, I have a 1970 Scimitar GTE with the registration SAR and it was registered in Hemel Hempstead
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PostPost by: Elan Peter » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:54 pm

My Grandparents were extras in the prisoner! Has nothing to do with this conversation really but it's a nice little thing to be able to say. I have photos of them riding around in the mini mokes and my grandfather is even seen being pushed over by number 2 in one episode with human chess.
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PostPost by: SENC » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:42 pm

Craven wrote:Only have limited resources but for instants, Chelmsford used, AR, JN, HJ, HK, PU, may be more but it’s combination that showup bogus numbers. That’s why I say you need some other cross reference.


You were correct, no KARs ending in B. It seems the Chelmsford (Hertfordshire) office issued all of the KAR1-999 series in 1965, so they all had the C suffix (such as the now famous 120C). This, of course, makes the most sense given the lotus records on the car.

Hertfordshire County has an online archive with some basic information, including a hierarchy tree of records of registrations issued between 1903 and 1977. The following screenshot includes part of the listing.

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PostPost by: elanfan1 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:24 pm

Glad that sorted it for you.
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PostPost by: Geoffers71 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:13 pm

BTW Chelmsford is in Essex not Hertfordshire
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PostPost by: SENC » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:17 pm

Geoffers71 wrote:BTW Chelmsford is in Essex not Hertfordshire

I noticed that on a map but it seems Chelmsford issued registrations for Hertfordshire during that period, pre-DVLA.
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PostPost by: Geoffers71 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:29 am

SENC wrote:
Geoffers71 wrote:BTW Chelmsford is in Essex not Hertfordshire

I noticed that on a map but it seems Chelmsford issued registrations for Hertfordshire during that period, pre-DVLA.

Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but I find it difficult to accept that. Chelmsford is 50 miles from Hemel Hempstead where the Registration Office for the whole of Hertfordshire was located. AR is definitely an Herts registration. I did live in the area for a while. Happy to be proved wrong though :D

Just checked a site online and note that AR registrations were exclusively Herts up until 1974. From 1974 onwards Chelmsford were also allowed to use the numbers. Seems we were both right ??? But too late for registration in 1965 when KAR 120 C was issued
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PostPost by: SENC » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:49 pm

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SENC wrote:
Geoffers71 wrote:BTW Chelmsford is in Essex not Hertfordshire

I noticed that on a map but it seems Chelmsford issued registrations for Hertfordshire during that period, pre-DVLA.

Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but I find it difficult to accept that. Chelmsford is 50 miles from Hemel Hempstead where the Registration Office for the whole of Hertfordshire was located. AR is definitely an Herts registration. I did live in the area for a while. Happy to be proved wrong though :D

Just checked a site online and note that AR registrations were exclusively Herts up until 1974. From 1974 onwards Chelmsford were also allowed to use the numbers. Seems we were both right ??? But too late for registration in 1965 when KAR 120 C was issued


Please don't apologize, you are teaching me and I appreciate it! I was misinterpreting the records not knowing the area, but now see the correct interpretation is that AR = Hertfordshire pre-1974 and Chelmsford 1974-on.

The Chiltern Vehicle Preservation Group published a useful tool, available at http://www.cvpg.co.uk/REG.pdf, the following is a snippet:
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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:26 pm

KAR 120C was a Lotus demonstrator / sales car before it was lent to the studio that was making The Prisoner, so your 'KAR' may well have had an interesting Lotus history.

The 1500 Cosworth Seven has to be one of my all time favourite cars, and I agree it looks superb in red and aluminium. Gorgeous!

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PostPost by: SENC » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:04 pm

Elanintheforest wrote:KAR 120C was a Lotus demonstrator / sales car before it was lent to the studio that was making The Prisoner, so your 'KAR' may well have had an interesting Lotus history.

The 1500 Cosworth Seven has to be one of my all time favourite cars, and I agree it looks superb in red and aluminium. Gorgeous!

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Great picture, thanks for sharing Mark! They clearly had a thing for "120", wonder the importance?
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PostPost by: types26/36 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:20 pm

SENC wrote: They clearly had a thing for "120", wonder the importance?


120 was a "hint" that the cars were capable of 120mph ……...
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