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PostPost by: Pjr » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:28 am

Thanks - the inlet and fuel pump faces are unpainted and I was planning to clean back the exhaust ones. When I was painting it was difficult to be neat and tidy so I just painted it all and then thought I could strip it back to a heater edge. We will see if it works.

The heater outlet was as it came with the engine. I haven’t given that any thought but will look into that now. I have some different ones here.

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PostPost by: gjz30075 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:40 am

TBG, are those Revotec fans, too? What make radiator?
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:42 am

Pjr wrote:Thanks - the inlet and fuel pump faces are unpainted and I was planning to clean back the exhaust ones. When I was painting it was difficult to be neat and tidy so I just painted it all and then thought I could strip it back to a heater edge. We will see if it works.

The heater outlet was as it came with the engine. I haven’t given that any thought but will look into that now. I have some different ones here.

Many thanks,

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The heater outlet is the same as on my Plus 2 so I guess that is where then engine came from

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PostPost by: Pjr » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:48 am

Rohan,

I think you may be right. I seem to recall it started life in a Europa, then a +2 and now in a s3. It’s probably got some great stories to tell!

I haven’t decided whether I will use the Smiths heater system or something more modern (as Rob alluded to - perhaps even the dual heater and a/c unit a few people have fitted), so I guess the shiny brass connector can stay for now.

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PostPost by: Mazzini » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:58 am

I'm really interested to hear how you get on.
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PostPost by: 661 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:08 am

Corner weighting at Hofmann's

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PostPost by: TBG » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:22 am

Giz - yes Revotec fans and controller. I got them from Demon Tweeks but they are available elsewhere. A beautifully cut stainless bracket for the fans also came with the kit. D

Oh and the radiator - quite beautifully built came from Coolex. www.coolexperts.co.uk
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PostPost by: 1owner69Elan » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:19 pm

TBG wrote:1owner69 - very sorry to hear of your troubles. For what it is worth I have a REVOTEC electronic controller in the top hose and it works excellently. Out of the way of everything also. Available from all the usual suspects this side of the pond. D


I would like to put such a inline temperature switch but there is no room for such on my arrangement. The TTR swirl pot/filler that replaces the top hose leaves no room for splicing in a takeoff.
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There are some fan switch units that place a capillary inserted in a hose end and clamped between the hose and the alloy tube extensions. But, this appears to be prone to leaks and I am not too sure about clamping down on a fragile capillary.

Looking at fan switches that insert the probe into the radiator fins. I have one from Derale but don't like defacing my expensive radiator with the probe insertion. Also, my radiator is so deep that the probe does not extend all the way through to allow it to be secured on its end, as designed.

I may just try to find a smaller otter switch that inserts into the original radiator port and doesn't extend the leads out as far, thereby fouling the bonnet edge.
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PostPost by: mbell » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:33 pm

Any space in the radiator outlet hose?

My daily driver uses the outlet temp to control the fan, which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. What you want to do is ensure the coolant going to the engine is cool enough to absorb the heat generated by the engine. This allows the engine to stay at the correct temp, rather than respond to it being too hot once than has happened.
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PostPost by: 1owner69Elan » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:48 pm

mbell wrote:Any space in the radiator outlet hose?

My daily driver uses the outlet temp to control the fan, which makes a lot of sense when you think about it. What you want to do is ensure the coolant going to the engine is cool enough to absorb the heat generated by the engine. This allows the engine to stay at the correct temp, rather than respond to it being too hot once than has happened.


Not enough length on the legs of the L-shape bottom radiator hose to insert a take off either:
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Presumably, with a sensor placed on the outlet the cut-in temperature for the fan would be chosen to be at a lower value than indicated on the temp gauge.
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PostPost by: TBG » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:54 pm

Oh joy!!

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PostPost by: mbell » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:40 pm

1owner69Elan wrote:Not enough length on the legs of the L-shape bottom radiator hose to insert a take off either:


Suspected that would be the case as a tight area, even in standard form, but don't know if you don't ask.

1owner69Elan wrote:Presumably, with a sensor placed on the outlet the cut-in temperature for the fan would be chosen to be at a lower value than indicated on the temp gauge.


I believe so. There probably some formula you can use to calculate it based of coolant flows and heat generation by the engine at idle/low speeds but probably easier to just set by trail and error, like if it was in the top hose.
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PostPost by: baileyman » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:16 pm

Perhaps have a bung welded onto the swirl pot. I have the same setup and I suppose also the same problem, so I should pay attention.

Meanwhile, to be on topic, it's been several days modifying my trailer for tilt so I can bring the car home if it develops a problem while...um...hard at play. Here tested with a heavy car:

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Like an old Magic Tilt boat trailer.
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:45 am

baileyman wrote:Perhaps have a bung welded onto the swirl pot. I have the same setup and I suppose also the same problem, so I should pay attention.

Meanwhile, to be on topic, it's been several days modifying my trailer for tilt so I can bring the car home if it develops a problem while...um...hard at play. Here tested with a heavy car:

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On my tilt trailer the rectangular bed of the trailer tilts while the A frame structure can be left connected to the car towball in a similar way. In addition a couple of old motor bike spring / shock units control the movement between the A frame and the rectangular bed and hold it in the titled position until the car load pushes it down to the flat position in a controlled way. The spring / shock units have an over centre style movement so they don't try to push the tray tilted again once it is flat

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PostPost by: baileyman » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:28 am

The best tilting trailers are in OZ! It's rare to see any kind of tilt here unless it's fifty years old. I do have a shock on the joint, though I think it could use a stiffer one. An old TTR double adjustable would be just right!
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