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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:37 pm

Alan,
I don't disagree with your viewpoint that there should be more transparency, there may however be a loophole here in that there is nothing offered for sale and in fact the advertiser is asking for others to sell or offer goods to him, thereby becoming a consumer rather than a seller.

I think that a nicely structured letter to Alan Morgan expressing your concerns and indeed the concerns of others on these forums would be the way to go, and he being a very reasonable and approachable individual will no doubt give your letter the attention it deserves.

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PostPost by: alan.barker » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:01 pm

I beg to differ.
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:29 pm

Explain?
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PostPost by: 512BB » Sun Nov 01, 2015 5:47 pm

Spyder fan wrote: I think that a nicely structured letter to Alan Morgan

I shall get right onto it. I'll just load up first :lol: :lol:

I would GLADLY give the multiple advert poster one barrel too.

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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:05 pm

512BB wrote:Spyder fan wrote: I think that a nicely structured letter to Alan Morgan

I shall get right onto it. I'll just load up first :lol: :lol:

I would GLADLY give the multiple advert poster one barrel too.

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Leslie!
You do have a sense of humour after all :lol: and there's me thinking you were mad at me.

That's a nice piece of jewellery, is it part of your collection?

Alan Morgan is owner of Club Lotus Ltd, and he is also a journalist, therefore is perhaps more qualified than you, me or Alan Barker to rule on this.

The consensus reading through this topic is that people think the adverts are wrongly placed and likely to deceive therefore the next step is to take it up with Club Lotus. If Club Lotus ignore or refute then there are advertising authorities and ombudsmen that can be appealed to, other than that we could all just bitch about it here and have some fun with exchanging photos of our jewellery?

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PostPost by: alan.barker » Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:33 pm

lets be clear i'm not ruling on this at all, i am just letting people know of the situation from my own personal viewpoint.
I put the subject on the forum for open and objective discussion where all club members can participate and not just a chosen few.
This does not seem possible which is sad.
The idea of a forum is to my knowledge from the Romans and is (quote from the concise oxford dictionary)"a public place for judicial and other business, place of public discussion, giving opportunity for debate"
Could be the meaning has changed somewhere over the Years, correct me if i'm wrong.

Thanks Alan Thomas,
but i don't think being a journalist changes the situation one iota.
You miss my point, i am talking about FAIRPLAY and not hoodwinking people
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:02 pm

Alan
Who is "The Chairman"? Are you referring to the webmaster of lotus elan.net? If so why would Jeff's opinion be of greater value than any other contributor to these forums?

You object to adverts made by a person in the motor trade that you believe is trying to hoodwink people, and others on these forums obviously agree with you, please collate the objections and make your case to Club Lotus, I think it is the right thing to do given the consensus that is obvious to me.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you mention that this discussion should be open to all and not just a chosen few? Im not aware of this topic being censored or its contents being restricted nor forbidden to be replied to by anyone, I'm quite perplexed by this.

All in all, your topic raises a valid issue, I was pleased to respond to it and offer my insight. It appears my contribution is no longer welcome so I will make no further comment.
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PostPost by: elan66 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:38 pm

Why cant people discuss?Are we talking about Elan Net users or Club Lotus members.Seems to me people can say pretty much what they like here within reason.I can even talk about Zetecs if i want :wink:
I had far more of an issue with Club Lotus in the past when you would phone up for an item in the for sale section and find it had been sold 2-3 weeks before the mags had been sent out and it was the only place they had been advertised.The club classified was a big reason i joined the club,i didnt rejoin for the reason stated.
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PostPost by: 661 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:10 pm

I agree that this is about transparency regardless of whether the advertiser is selling or buying. It would appear in either case that they are forwarding their business interests.
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PostPost by: mark030358 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:59 pm

Speaking of adverts...
I put an advert in the Lotus magazine many years ago after I totalled my Europa. I advertised for a Mint DHC Sprint and offered what at the time was an awful lot of money.
So anyway I get a call, well a few actually, but one guy convinced me he had a great car, first class condition etc etc.
Imagine after a 6 or 7 hour train journey getting there to find out said car had been a burned out wreck the only salvageable parts from memory being the mettle bits and it was a FHC to boot. To add insult to injury it wouldn't start either.
Needless to say I got on the train and left....

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PostPost by: elanfan1 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:53 am

mark030358 wrote:Speaking of adverts...
I put an advert in the Lotus magazine many years ago after I totalled my Europa. I advertised for a Mint DHC Sprint and offered what at the time was an awful lot of money.
So anyway I get a call, well a few actually, but one guy convinced me he had a great car, first class condition etc etc.
Imagine after a 6 or 7 hour train journey getting there to find out said car had been a burned out wreck the only salvageable parts from memory being the mettle bits and it was a FHC to boot. To add insult to injury it wouldn't start either.
Needless to say I got on the train and left....

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IMAGINE the advertiser you speak so disparagingly of keeping the original advert for the car (which was emailed to all interested parties) all this time and posting it here for everyone to see:

Apologies for the length but cannot save in a version (and formatting lost too) that will add as an attachment here:

Have you been searching for a High Quality Elan Sprint? If so, then this might just be what you are looking for!
Gorgeous Lotus Elan Sprint 1971 Drophead Coupe (Tax Free). In Yellow over White paint. Under the watchful eye of Ken Myers, the car has been totally restored to a very high standard over a 7 year period. Original parts rather than proprietary parts have been used wherever possible. Original matching engine has been rebuilt on it?s original bores (which must be a rarity in itself!). The car has covered less than 2000 miles since the rebuild and is in many respects as good as or better than when new. Dry stored in my garage under a breathable dust cover the car does not go out in the rain. A rare opportunity to buy a fully restored Classic Elan Sprint ? the car is garaged in Cardiff South Wales (UK).
Offers are invited around ?17,250.00
(I have a certificated Insurance Valuation of ?20,000)
An information sheet giving fuller details of the car on a Word document with tif. photo attachments is available as an email to genuine enquirers only. Please no stickybeaks, canvassers, 419 or advance fee scammers, dreamers or timewasters.
Email enquiries to [email protected]" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank or tel: +44 (0) 2920 628881 (International callers at sensible times please)
Reason For Sale
The only reason this car is for sale is that I have purchased a very late 1973 Sprint (on an M plate) which is currently being assembled ready for Summer 2005. As I cannot afford to keep both, this one has to go!
Brief Details
Lotus Elan Sprint Drophead Coupe first registered 12/9/1971 (K) Type 36 completely rebuilt on a new Drophead bodyshell and painted Yellow over White. Restored over a 7 year period 1992 to 1999, rebuilt on a Spyder chassis. Less than 2000 miles completed since.
Brief Historical Outline
First registered in Newcastle ? unfortunately I have been unable to track down its first owner but have been successful in contacting most of the previous owners. I have some older photographs, bills of sale, MOT?s and other documentation to go with the car including the photographic record of the rebuild. I have a few stories from previous owners including the tale of how the car was driven by NIGEL MANSELL the F1 and Indy Car Champion.
Purchased in 1992 - the car had caught fire and crashed and been left in a barn in Llanelli for 7/8 years before being rescued by me. The restoration started slowly with the stripping of what was left ? an exhaustive task as almost everything had seized. As funds allowed the chassis was returned to Spyder Engineering, the suspension, hubs and braking system to Classicar Automotive for refurbishment. I was offered a brand new unused drophead bodyshell by Ken Myers which I bought and this was prepared and sprayed by SMS in Lincolnshire.

The project stalled a few times but I was helped and enthused along the way by Ken who got the engine running and wired the car as well as carrying out a few other tasks that were beyond my skills. In the meantime I accumulated the rare and original parts needed for the remainder of the project ? these were sourced from Ken and the many friends gained from visiting lots of Lotus shows over the years. Eventually 7 years later I MOT?d the car for the first time - this was September 1999 and the first time the car had been on the road for about 14 years! Whilst the car was not fully finished at this time I continued trimming and embellishing until I regarded it as complete. Ever since I have strived for improvement and although now it is very occasional I still find the odd part that is perhaps in better condition and I swap it over.
Car Details
The car has less than 2000 recorded miles since the rebuild allowed it to be sufficiently complete to be road legal on 13th Sept 1999 (7 years and 1 day after I bought it) but there were still things to be done at that time. The car is dry stored under a dust cover with a battery conditioner fitted and it does not go out in the rain!!
The Spyder chassis originally fitted by a previous owner was returned to Spyder Engineering. They refurbished it, checked alignment, shot blasted and gave it a new stove enamel coating at a cost of close to ?1100.00
The engine is the original matching number. It will have covered around 69/70000 miles ? it is still on it?s original bore and has been completely professionally rebuilt with new rings, new core plugs, new water pump, timing chain, seals etc etc. I have a written report on work completed. The gearbox and differential were checked over, fitted with new seals, flushed and filled with fresh oil. Propshaft refurbished with new joints and balanced.
Car has been rebuilt over 7 years on a brand new Drophead bodyshell (this shell had been left outside for 5 years ? this is apparently a good thing as any defects in the fibreglass would have shown by then). Fresh gel coat and preparation by SMS in Lincolnshire in Yellow over White paint costing around ?3500 (they have carried out several of Ken Myers? resprays ?see below).
Rebuilt under the supervision of my mentors Ken and Neil Myers a father and son team and extremely dedicated. Ken is (in)famous in the Lotus world for having been a Lotus dealer in Northampton and a friend of Colin Chapman in the 1960?s. He now carries out low volume, extreme quality specialist Elan and Climax Elite rebuilds, recently he has sold an Elan for ?50,000 (can but dream!!). Ron Hickman the original designer of the Elan has one of Ken?s rebuilds at his home in Jersey. Neil is now a part owner of Orchard Lotus the official Lotus dealership in Northampton.
Concessions to modern materials/safety include:

Lumenition electronic ignition (which was a period item anyway), stainless steel exhaust, alloy petrol tank, braided fuel lines and an alternator mounted on a correct late alternator bracket. Hazard flashers via concealed switch (believed to be an option on later cars).
Original parts include:
Tudor washbag, Tudor electric washer pump, Tudor overflow bottle,, Original Sparto side repeaters, Maserati Air Horns, New Girling MkIIB servo, original twin 40 weber carbs rebuilt, AC Delco front airbox, AC Delco cold start coil and ballast resistor, Correct carb airbox and black paper covered trunking.
Door frames beautifully rechromed and fitted with new bottom plate, correct drip seals in door aperture, Smiths Electric Radiator fan with metal fan blade, Trico speedblade windscreen wipers, Correct washer jets, New Dunlop SP Sport Aquajet 155x 13 tyres on original steel wheels with correct chrome embellishers.
Working Philips Turnolock radio, Colin Chapman Steering wheel ? new leather trim hand stitched using 2 needles by craftsman trimmer, New hood that fits!! Correct original D section hoodframe, New short tonneau, flock lined glovebox, original screen pillar trims and underdash trims, correct all black Sprint sunvisors, Original Crashpad, correct interior mirror, instruments rebuilt by Speedograph Richfield and zero?d, seats retrimmed in correct welded fabric by the trimmer that originally did them for Lotus, fully carpeted in black loop pile carpets specially re-manufactured in the States for Ken Myers, correct 4 stripe Kangol magnetic seat belts, door trims with new carpet fitted, .

Steve Loader +44 (0) 2920 628881 or 07711 448906




Don't cha just love contemporary evidence eh?

Perhaps I imagine the clear declaration in the advert of the car being originally a Type 36 (and of course no-one would travel any considerable distance without checking all the facts and particularly the Type No. first, would they? I mean really?), Perhaps I also imagine stating in the ad the car had been crashed and had caught fire too. I imagine I mentioned it had a new DHC shell. Perhaps I also imagined spending several hours with you, collecting you from and dropping you off at the station which I cheerfully did despite having a young family at home to look after. I was at the time very apologetic and embarrassed that the car didn't start (typically it had the night before) which was down to a faulty earth behind the solenoid (which I'd guess many people wouldn't find). You KNEW exactly what that car was before you travelled and either deluded yourself - as is apparent from your recollection or fancied a day out wasting my time. I presume you've still got the collection of rare rubber boot bump stops and 2BA/4BA Superslim spanners, but perhaps I imagined that too?

For others - I hope the photos that were on the original advert show up on the attachment (**they were too big I'll have to post separately) which i think speak volumes for the quality and extent of the restoration. Incidentally the advert was May 2005 - I sold the car for ?16700 in a
private sale which was pretty close to top money at the time. Out of interest the car features as the before and after shot around pages 59/60 of the Buckland Book and was for sale earlier this year at a dealers with aftermarket seats, steering wheel and wide radiator amongst other things for ?32995 if I recall correctly - not bad for a 15 year old restoration.


Apologies to Alan for the thread derail.
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PostPost by: Jon.ford » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:00 am

That sounds like a great car Steve you should have kept it !!!
You know you have a good car when your wife hates it.
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:19 am

Handbags at fifty paces?...

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PostPost by: vincereynard » Tue Nov 03, 2015 5:12 pm

Purely out of interest, would the first name of "VH" be the same as mine?
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PostPost by: elanfan1 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:31 pm

A few photos of my old sprint at the time of sale:

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