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Continuous Insurance Enforcement (CIE) in UK

PostPost by: ardee_selby » Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:06 pm

512BB wrote:Would they not know Bill, with the flick of a mouse, whether the car was MOTd, taxed and insured? And as you said, with ANPR, they would even know it from the comfort of their car!

Leslie


Well, yes. That's my point. I thought the database was also a way of helping to filter out counterfeit documents. The ANPR is lauded enough on the TV.

However, the car is a write-off. Just as well no pedestrians were on the pavement at the time.

Cheers - rd (Son is having to lug recording equipment about for his final year assignments...in taxis probably :x )
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PostPost by: billwill » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:50 pm

chrishewett wrote:I am not out of date Bill, in fact I am right up to date.
It just doesn't happen. I won't bore you with recent examples but I despair that people don't understand how this country is heading down hill.



So the TV program that I am watching on Dave (Dave ja vu) called "Traffic Cops" which is on right NOW and which they are impounding unlicenced uninsured cars is all pure fiction is it???


Obviously there will be cases where it doesn't happen that the Police impound & crush the car, the equipment & facilities are expensive so are not available in every police car, and I don't know the percentage of cases where it does happen. Do you?

> I won't bore you with recent examples

That's a cop-out.. Quote even one example.
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PostPost by: billwill » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:55 pm

512BB wrote:Would they not know Bill, with the flick of a mouse, whether the car was MOTd, taxed and insured? And as you said, with ANPR, they would even know it from the comfort of their car!

Leslie


Not all police vehicles have the equipment of course, that would be too expensive & I got the impression that that query was at the Police Station anyway.

The MIB & DHLC records don't actually show who is the OWNER of the car which might be relevant in this instance.
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PostPost by: Higs » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:37 pm

I ran out of petrol last year (not in a Lotus) and parked on the verge of a dual carriageway. Within 5 mins, a police volvo pulled up and gave me a lift to the nearest garage. I had passed him parked about 3 miles earlier.

His car was kitted out with the ANPR kit and it was amazing! Real time database checking etc. He told me that they regularly just park at the side of roads and let the camera's do the work. A buzzer goes off, they chase and stop and another driver caught.

So they do exist. I suppose that, for this thread, I have to report that his T5 did not appear to have any car crushing equipment in the back so I cannot vouch for that bit....

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PostPost by: billwill » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:21 am

Higs wrote:I have to report that his T5 did not appear to have any car crushing equipment in the back so I cannot vouch for that bit....

Richard


:lol: :lol:

The TV program I was watching earlier was made sometime last year I think, as I've seen it before.

They mentioned that Hampshire police has used the new law 1,100 times to impound and probably crush un-insured cars.

They tell the culprits the massive fine involved in driving an uninsured car and then tell them that the alternative is to sign away all rights to the car; the driver can remove personal belongings and the car is taken away to the crushing depot or whatever.
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PostPost by: persiflage » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:54 am

Surely the only way to ensurer all drivers on the road are insured is to add the cost of 3dr party cover to the price of fuel ... with a coresponding reduction in your on road policy of course!

If theyare really bothered about lack of cover it could be remedied very easily.
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:59 am

...and while they're at it they could add the cost of the Road Tax into the price of fuel so that anyone who is driving on the road is covered for insurance and Tax...

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PostPost by: Higs » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:31 am

Surely the only way to ensurer all drivers on the road are insured is to add the cost of 3dr party cover to the price of fuel ... with a coresponding reduction in your on road policy of course!


I don't think that would be popular. You might only save ?100-200 off your insurance premium. My son, being male and 18, would save nearly ?1000 (and that is for a small car). So all the youngsters would wizz off and buy very powerful cars in the sure knowledge that we were paying for their insurance. :cry:

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PostPost by: bcmc33 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:43 am

persiflage wrote:Surely the only way to ensurer all drivers on the road are insured is to add the cost of 3dr party cover to the price of fuel ...

My first thought was.....insured by whom? The government? Another disaster. :cry:
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:52 am

Brian (friend)

Surely being hit by a Knobhead with compulsory Government thrd party insurance is better than being hit by a Knobhead with no insurance at all?

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PostPost by: bcmc33 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:30 am

john.p.clegg wrote:Brian (friend)

Surely being hit by a Knobhead with compulsory Government third party insurance is better than being hit by a Knobhead with no insurance at all?

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Cost, or the price we would have to pay is my main concern. With the government involved, especially if it sub-contracts it out to one of the usual suspects. Remember, with the government purchasing activity involved, it costs tax payers ?22 for a 69p light bulb.
With government bureaucracy and associated expenses, its not a price I think I would like to pay.
I always pay the small fee to protect my no-claims bonus as it should cover any Knobhead collision damage. Time will tell - I guess.
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PostPost by: paddy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:04 pm

bcmc33 wrote:I always pay the small fee to protect my no-claims bonus as it should cover any Knobhead collision damage. Time will tell - I guess.


You may also need your uninsured loss cover, which I discovered many years ago when I was hit by an uninsured Knobhead.

However, I think these providers are ambulance chasers and aren't exactly the most honourable. On a later occasion I had someone run into the back of me and, since I had uninsured loss cover, the insurers just handed the loss over to them to recover. I got a phone call from the other driver who had just received a claim for my hospital treatment and loss of earnings - all instigated as pure speculation by the uninsured loss provider. I called the provider and told them not to pursue that part of their claim.

This kind of thing, though, does seem to be pushing insurance costs up for everyone.

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PostPost by: MickG » Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:12 pm

Considering the police have ANPR giving details of TAX, MOT and Insurance; would it not be beyond the relms of posibility to use this on petrol forecourts. None of the above and the pump will not work, so no petrol for you Mr Knobhead.
Probably too simple :roll:
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PostPost by: billwill » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:15 pm

john.p.clegg wrote:...and while they're at it they could add the cost of the Road Tax into the price of fuel so that anyone who is driving on the road is covered for insurance and Tax...

John :wink:



That'll be the day. I think Maggie Thatcher was the first to propose that and various political parties have said they will do it and none ever have.
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PostPost by: billwill » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:19 pm

MickG wrote:Considering the police have ANPR giving details of TAX, MOT and Insurance; would it not be beyond the relms of posibility to use this on petrol forecourts. None of the above and the pump will not work, so no petrol for you Mr Knobhead.
Probably too simple :roll:


A bit tricky for garage mechanics testing customer cars and for delivery drivers, but not a bad idea that.
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