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PostPost by: alan.barker » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:45 pm

So sad so many lives lost because of Putin and his ego.
Ukraine families devastated and also Russian families.
When will they ever learn, never i suppose.
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PostPost by: AshleyPark » Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:24 pm

Such a shame Nato had to expand Eastwards despite their promises not to!
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PostPost by: englishmaninwales » Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:24 pm

AshleyPark wrote:Such a shame Nato had to expand Eastwards despite their promises not to!


AP, I hope you appreciate the freedom you and your family have enjoyed for the last 73.5 years provided by the strength of NATO.
That excuse is a fig leaf for the true reasons of Putin’s military aggression.

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PostPost by: 2cams70 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:28 pm

Sounds like all the Russians are rush en out of Ukraine.
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:06 am

AshleyPark wrote:Such a shame Nato had to expand Eastwards despite their promises not to!


All of Russia's actions just reinforced to the various Scandinavian countries of the need for them to join NATO to prevent Russian aggression. NATO did not allow the Ukraine to join in an attempt to try to appease Russia and that unfortunately did not get them any good response. Maybe if you think back in history have you heard what happens when you try to appease dictators?.

In the modern world democratic free countries are supposed to be able to choose who they wish to align themselves with and it is not Russia or any other countries right to impose limitations on what they do with the threat of invasion. read the UN charter that Russia signed to see that. If Russia does not like NATO's expansion ( and they never promised not to admit new members) then Russia can impose sanctions on NATO member states but invading a country that did not and was not going to join NATO seems like a strange response to NATO expansion and a fig leaf for the real Russian imperialistic dreams of Putin.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:10 am

Imho Putin has united NATO and has stimulated more to join NATO.
I think this will be the end of Russia.
The next big thing will be the destruction of the "Kerch Bridge" . Or maybe it has already started crumbling because of bad concret.
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PostPost by: AshleyPark » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:39 am

On the contrary, Nato/Washington’s Neocon intentions are all about global military dominance and always have been. Their relentless expansion Eastwards to a point where their military bases encircle Russia and China has very little to do with keeping the peace!

The purpose of the proxy war in Ukraine which WE are now fighting is to drain Russia of its manpower and firepower, to weaken their economy so they’re no longer a superpower competitor to the US’s hegemony.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:14 am

+1 drain Russia of it's manpower and firepower.
+ test Himars in real situation.
I don't think Putin would make a good Chess Player.
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PostPost by: elanfan1 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:29 am

Ultimately Russia don’t ‘need’ manpower whilst they have nukes. Putin is strongly rumoured to be ill so if he’s dying slowly what does he care about using them?? I do wonder if behind the scenes he’s been threatened if he uses them there’ll be retaliatory strike on mainland Russia. Doubtless there’ll be plots going on to oust or kill him too if illness doesn’t get him first.

Ukraine have proven they’re no pushovers and I reckon Russia should be looking for a way out of this. If Putin was dead then a replacement potentially could walk away claiming it to have been a madman’s war. With winter coming will Russia have the will to fight on?
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:36 am

Alan.

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:39 am

So China builds islands and bases all over the south China sea and ignores an international court of justice ruling around law of the sea. It also threatens to invade Taiwan, a free democratic country. Russia invades Ukraine , a democratic country, after 20 years of abuses in supporting other despots. Both these countries actions are the actions of imperialistic dictatorships which is what NATO was started to prevent. And you blame NATO ????? ... it it is not a very convincing argument.

Maybe you would prefer Russia and China to take over the world salami slice by salami slice as they have no intention to stop at Ukraine or Taiwan if allowed to take those countries. It is only NATO and the rest of the western democratic alliances that stand in their way

Even the use of a tactical nuclear warhead by Russia at the behest of a madman like Putin would change the game totally and I don't want to even think about the consequences of that. Hopefully there are saner people in Russia who could influence that
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PostPost by: AshleyPark » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:32 am

So, if the invasion of Iraq was legal, then why is the invasion of Ukraine illegal? Why are the annexations of Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights from Syria by Israel also not condemned?

As for the nonsense about Putin’s health/state of mind, someone’s being reading the Daily Mail (or indeed the Guardian, the security establishment’s goto mouth piece) again!!

Let me remind you, the US is the only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons, twice, destroying the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan. The worst war crimes committed against civilian populations in the history of humanity.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:34 am

True Ashley,
I don't think the USA needed to Nuke Japan.
I think it was the pressure from Russia that stopped Japan.
When Chine took control if Tibet averyone looked the other way.
When wrongly the USA decided to go into Iraq , France said NO but they still did it for the Oil. With false stories of big Armements that did not exist.
In the past i have visited Libye and also Yemen, both fantastic countries with so much history. Sadly not possible now.
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PostPost by: AshleyPark » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:56 am

Indeed, it is sad Alan.
I visited Iran and Afghanistan many years ago and they were both beautiful, peaceful countries. What is happening to Yemen right now is particularly heartbreaking.
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:03 pm

You can debate the rights and wrongs of various countries behaviours over the last 2000 years and more if you want but that is a distraction and not an excuse for Russia's current behaviour.

I am still waiting for compensation from Italy for the Roman invasion of my home land. I say "Land Rights for Celts" :lol:

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