Frogelan wrote:(part quote)
Just remember that this Ref excluded the votes of Brits living in the EU and EU citizens living in the UK. It does not come even close to the definition of being inclusively democratic.
That's an odd one, why should non-UK nationals have a vote in the direction of this country ? Yes, they live here and some may even settle long term but are you suggesting that anyone residing in the UK at the time of voting should have been eligible ? How about someone on a gap year before returning home to study and possibly never returning ?
When we consider ex pats living abroad, again why should they have the right to influence a country where they no longer reside ? Do Brits living in Australia, USA, Canada, Africa, India, etc. have a say as well ?
At first sight the idea of "living there=voting rights" sounds fair but I don't think it's that simple. You could argue that England, Wales and NI should have participated in the Scottish Independence vote a few years ago but that was, quite rightly, considered a matter only for the Scots to decide. And that was, again quite rightly, the case in 2016.
There were "dodgy dealings" on both side of the debate, both Labour and Conservative MPs were elected in 2017 on a manifesto to honour the referendum result and leave the EU. 6 months after that election it became very clear that Labour were going to oppose whatever the Conservatives did and they were assisted by Conservative MPs U-turning on their election pledges. The only party with any honour in that respect were the LibDems who openly campaigned to Remain.
Our PM negotiated secretly and independently of the department set up (by her) to negotiate withdrawal and then forced her terms on the cabinet, leading to resignations. Despite trying to hide the legal advice, that agreement was soundly defeated by the largest majority to date because as everyone could see, it wasn't "leaving the EU".
Both sides have skeletons to hide. I think we just have to accept those events as historical fact and move on.
Brian