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PostPost by: vernon.taylor » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:09 am

Salut

After the silly price a NOS +2/Escort mirror went for, a modena45 got greedy and put his up to, apparently expecting the same price for his second-hand item. He was also greedy concerning the shipping charges.

I bid and won. He then replied that he thought he had put a ?75 reserve and phoned eBay who cancelled the sale and refunded my money.

His name is Mario and he lives in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire. I strongly advise against dealing with him - and if you do bid on an eBay item of his, expect the sale to be cancelled if he's not happy with the price acheived.

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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:41 am

Bon Jour

Surely thinking something and doing something are two different matters,without going into it too deeply,why did Fleabay let him cancel?

Post the link?

This posting with No Reserve really gets to me...

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PostPost by: vernon.taylor » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:17 am

Salut John

Here's the link:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221334006651? ... 1497.l2649

The guy's full name is Mario Ferrari and his email is [email protected] (will be removed if revealing email addresses is not allowed).

eBay didn't contact me at all, but the guy can have no valid reason for cancelling. I'm 100% and have a registered UK address - I had also paid. There is no website-way to complain - I'll see if I'm bothered to 'phone.

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PostPost by: dgently » Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:00 am

Interesting. I won his auction for a +2 centre console about a week ago. He very obligingly and promptly shipped it directly to me in Ireland at no additional cost. Arrived well packed & in satisfactory condition.

I'd have been pretty miffed if I'd been gazumped like you, but the seller is certainly not all bad!
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PostPost by: Chancer » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:35 am

My last couple of Ebay deals have gone bad, in all cases it was something obscure that i buy from ebay that usually attracts few bids because few people really know of the items and their trade value, usually I am the only bidder and get it for the opening price or if its too high the seller may accept an offer from me when they get no bids. I never bid on private auctions as the seller sill bids

What happened recently was that when I made my opening shill bidding would occur, one person who's bidding history was 100% with the seller and on completely unrelated items, I report them to ebay (waste of time) then contact the seller saying I will withdraw my bid if it continues, they always trot out some excuse that people buy multiple items from them but its just so blatant, the shill bidders bids 100% of the time on 100% of their items and no others.

Anyway one item I won at a bid slightly what the shill bidder stopped at after my contact, so the seller already jacked me up, on the phone to arrange collection he was very aggressive and demanded "a ****ing apology" which I was happy to do repeatedly and in a sincere manner until he calmed down, very soon after he contacted me to say that his garage had been broken into and the item stolen :o

He didnt refund my money and I had to raise a dispute with ebay.

I really dont think there is much we can do in these cases, Ebay dont seem to give a rats, private listings unless its for sex toys or something have no purpose other than to conceal shill bidding, even the most blatant cases of shill bidding that are reported are consigned to the bin.
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PostPost by: vernon.taylor » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:21 pm

Salut

dgently wrote:the seller is certainly not all bad!


Wonder if it would have been the case if you had won it for a tenner...

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PostPost by: KevJ+2 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:13 pm

Chancer wrote:I really dont think there is much we can do in these cases, Ebay dont seem to give a rats, private listings unless its for sex toys or something have no purpose other than to conceal shill bidding


And you know this because........... :wink:
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:17 pm

:lol:

John :wink:

But on a serious side it's about time some one gave them some competition,it's like a licence to print money with their fees and paypals fees...
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PostPost by: billwill » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:52 pm

To my everlasting chagrin, in the early days of the World Wide Web I was consulted about creating an Auction website. But the proposing guys were rather wrapped up in Telephone Bidding and I said I couldn't see how to make that work.

So I didn't get the job or become a millionaire.

:? :( :? :( :(


Nowadays to overcome the market lead of eBay would be EXTREMELY difficult.
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PostPost by: Chancer » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:07 pm

KevJ+2 wrote:
Chancer wrote:I really dont think there is much we can do in these cases, Ebay dont seem to give a rats, private listings unless its for sex toys or something have no purpose other than to conceal shill bidding


And you know this because........... :wink:


"I know this to be true because I have just made it up" :lol:

Quote courtesy of my mentor an ex pro footballer and chairman of the group that owned my company.

They have never come back to me after reporting 2 cases that even a bent lawyer couldnt argue against, both sellers continue doing exactly the same using the same identity to jack up every item that they list that recieves a starting bid, these 2 identities never ever bid for anything else with any other sellers.

So I reckon ebay dont give a rats, and why should they?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I have just got your joke, the sex toys!!! :oops:

a bit slow today!
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PostPost by: nomad » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:24 pm

john.p.clegg wrote::lol:

John :wink:

But on a serious side it's about time some one gave them some competition,it's like a licence to print money with their fees and paypals fees...


Amen!!!
It could be done by a large company that was willing to work at a loss for a little while. Lots of advertising would be needed.
E-bay is so bad compared to what they were a few years ago. I too have story's!

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PostPost by: KevJ+2 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:33 pm

Ebay are far too big and don't give a damn about buyer protection, I'll try and keep this brief.
A while ago I had a trailer stolen and saw it for sale locally on Ebay (pictured on some housing estate). The police were informed and due to ebay's delays (2 more days because the police didn't fax them on headed paper!) The outcome was that the sale went through and a Romanian carpenter parted with ?1200 cash in a layby in Wimbledon. The police then returned the trailer to me leaving the carpenter to ponder his gullabilty.
The outcome- they never traced the Ebay seller as his Ebay details were false and his phone was a throw away mobile. Oh, and he had done this about 23 times!!!
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:57 pm

Sorry but if you give ?1200 to some one in a layby,you are guillable...

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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:16 am

Shill bidding is an inherent dirty trick on Ebay, however there is a way to avoid some of the effects of this practice by using a sniping tool.

to those who are unfamiliar with this I will make a brief explanation, please feel free to PM me if you want more detailed information and some other tips for bidding on Ebay.
A sniping tool is an online program that synchronises with EBay's servers and places a pre-determined maximum bid in the last few closing seconds of the auction on your behalf using your legitimate Ebay identity. The benefit of using this tool is that you will not be tempted into a bidding war and your bid will not be visible until the last 10 seconds of the auction leaving no room for a counter bid, this assumes that your pre-determined maximum bid is the highest.

Example: you see a set of used spinners on Ebay in useable condition, you think that ?150 is the most you would want to pay. you set up the Snipe tool to bid on your behalf at 10 seconds from auction end. 10 seconds from the auction end the current highest bid is ?100, the snipe program will place your bid for ?150, but you will most probably not have to pay ?150 if you win because the bid is accepted as your highest proxy bid, therefore if the current high bidder has a proxy bid of ?109.50 Ebay will graduate your bid to the next highest amount (approximately ?113.50) and you will win at that amount plus postage. If the current high bidder has put up more than ?150, your bid will be accepted and you will lose the auction, and you won't have time to make yourself upset by bidding again and buying too expensively.

Using a bid sniping tool is not illegal nor is it against Ebay policies or rules, it is simply a convenient way to manage your bidding on ebay and win more auctions at a price that's suitable for you. No more lurking by the PC waiting for auctions to end so you can bid at the last minute, just wait for the emails telling that you have won or lost.
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PostPost by: Chancer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:24 am

Yes Alan, I usually snipe although by being at the computer at the end time, a few times I have missed out on things by being late, distracted etc, also no-one ever comes to visit me except just before the end of an auction!!

So in these instances when there has been no other bids I thought it was safe to do an opening bid, what i should have done was to make it 99P and not bid up to ?5 or whatever.
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