A good reason not to sell items to fellow enthusiasts

PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:43 pm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131062685683?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Anyone know where this item comes from?

Perhaps some of you know where to buy it cheaper?

If I had a twin cam engine for sale, I would put it up for a 10 day auction on Ebay. People here would tell me it was worth ?1000 needing a rebuild, ?2000 sort of okay condition and ?3000 freshly rebuilt, but Ebay would reveal the correct "market value" of ?2000 needing rebuild, ?3500 sort of okay and ?5000+++ for freshly rebuilt.

Values for our cars are rising and those that can afford them are increasing, be warned.
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PostPost by: types26/36 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:56 pm

[quote="Spyder fan"Anyone know where this item comes from?
Perhaps some of you know where to buy it cheaper? .[/quote]

http://www.screwfix.com/p/touch-latch-p ... tid=202891
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:10 pm

types26/36 wrote:[quote="Spyder fan"Anyone know where this item comes from?
Perhaps some of you know where to buy it cheaper? .


http://www.screwfix.com/p/touch-latch-p ... tid=202891[/quote]

Can you post a link for cheap engines or gearboxes?
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PostPost by: peterexpart » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:48 pm

But do you really need 10 pcs !!!!
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:10 pm

At ?8.24 for a pack of 10 you could use 9 and sell the other on Fleabay to recover your cost...

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PostPost by: types26/36 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:16 pm

.....but think..... you could have bought 10 TC cylinder heads back in the 60's for ????...... :lol:
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PostPost by: stevebroad » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:06 pm

Decent twin cam heads sell for more than complete YB turbo engines.
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PostPost by: Elanconvert » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:15 am

stevebroad wrote:Decent twin cam heads sell for more than complete YB turbo engines.

well, values may be rising, but does that matter if you have no intention of selling?
I'm sure they are not rising because of the cost of replacing engines/heads/ etc...
these are almost 'consumables' for those who use their cars, and heads in particular will be junked once they've been skimmed to [and beyond] the limit.....
I suppose once prices of these components rise sufficiently, someone spots a niche and re-manufactures
components accordingly, but with a limited market [a few thousand at most?] it seems unlikely that I'm going to get a cheap new head when I need one [some unkind people would say I could have done with a new one a long time ago :lol: ]....are you guys buying up engines and heads and sqirrelling them away for when you need one? are we going to be forced to go zetec??? :shock:
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:45 am

Elanconvert wrote:
stevebroad wrote:Decent twin cam heads sell for more than complete YB turbo engines.

well, values may be rising, but does that matter if you have no intention of selling?
I'm sure they are not rising because of the cost of replacing engines/heads/ etc...
these are almost 'consumables' for those who use their cars, and heads in particular will be junked once they've been skimmed to [and beyond] the limit.....
I suppose once prices of these components rise sufficiently, someone spots a niche and re-manufactures
components accordingly, but with a limited market [a few thousand at most?] it seems unlikely that I'm going to get a cheap new head when I need one [some unkind people would say I could have done with a new one a long time ago :lol: ]....are you guys buying up engines and heads and sqirrelling them away for when you need one? are we going to be forced to go zetec??? :shock:
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You can recover almost any head - it is just a question of cost to rebuild versus cost to buy another head suitable for the use intended. They can go a lot thinner than most people think.
And YES I am squirrelling away heads for when I need them as they are a consumable when you race unfortunately and I hope I have a lifetime stock now :lol: . In the end you can always buy a new SAS or QED head it is just a question of price versus an engine change cost and hassle and you idea of what's right for an Elan in terms of an engine and for how long the suppliers stay in the business making new heads
twink heads.jpg and


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PostPost by: Elanconvert » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:24 am

hi rohan
that's a bit of reassurance! about recovering heads I mean...
how thin can you go?
i.e. if I were to find one to 'squirrel away' what's the minium height I should accept?
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:37 am

Clearly the thicker the better but if the cast lettering on the side of the bottom face of the head is still visible even if the tops have been taken off a little then it can be used, you may need to do a little adjusting of seat heights and chamber volumes and check valve lengths needed and spring installed lengths but all this is relatively cheap to do when rebuilding a head as most of it needs doing with a standard head if your doing it right. Hardness is the biggest issue - a soft head while theoretically recoverable with heat treatment is going to have to be less than free to be worth the exercise. Corrosion is the other killer issue as welding up a lot of corrosion can get very very expensive also.

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PostPost by: Elanconvert » Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:16 pm

rgh0 wrote:Clearly the thicker the better but if the cast lettering on the side of the bottom face of the head is still visible even if the tops have been taken off a little then it can be used, you may need to do a little adjusting of seat heights and chamber volumes and check valve lengths needed and spring installed lengths but all this is relatively cheap to do when rebuilding a head as most of it needs doing with a standard head if your doing it right. Hardness is the biggest issue - a soft head while theoretically recoverable with heat treatment is going to have to be less than free to be worth the exercise. Corrosion is the other killer issue as welding up a lot of corrosion can get very very expensive also.

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do you mean the numbers n the top roight in this photo?
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would this one be worth saving?
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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:28 pm

cast raised numbers on bottom face of head not back face. I will take a photo of one of my spare heads that is thin tomorrow and post as an example

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PostPost by: gjz30075 » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:36 pm

Elanconvert wrote:
stevebroad wrote:Decent twin cam heads sell for more than complete YB turbo engines.

well, values may be rising, but does that matter if you have no intention of selling?


Yes, it matters. I want to make sure my insurance will cover it in the event of........
I don't want surprises.

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PostPost by: Elanconvert » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:00 pm

gjz30075 wrote:
Elanconvert wrote:
stevebroad wrote:Decent twin cam heads sell for more than complete YB turbo engines.

well, values may be rising, but does that matter if you have no intention of selling?


Yes, it matters. I want to make sure my insurance will cover it in the event of........
I don't want surprises.

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good point....hadn't thought about that....... :?
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