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Get signed up now guys... This need to stop.

AB...

just done it,

regards phil

Hullo from the west. I linked but I must admit, I don't understand. Can some one of ya'll from the Elan motherland explain to us pioneers what this is about?
Thanks, Buckeye

It's a complaint against fuel Tax in the UK... It does not affect you guys so stand easy.


We need everyone in the UK to stand up and say enough is enough.

Alex...

....what is that I recall from A level economic about price elasticity

Right across the Atlantic is quite a stretch.

AB

I did think it a bit peculiar filling up with Diesel in the UK for ?1.49 per litre and returning to France and paying 1.35? per litre? (Current exchange ?1.09/L)

It's madness. Signed up.

...it is indeed madness but how else can UK PLC and it's heavy weight public sector continue to be funded

I suspect it's a bit like pissing in the wind guys. In reality, to make anyone feel remotely optimistic fuel needs to come down by a significant margin, not just a few pence, but the former ain't gonna happen

We need to try! If we just accept these constant fuel tax hikes where does it stop. It is ruining our economy. I have clients in the Shetland islands no longer able to afford their timber shipments. This is just one small example..

The country could afford anything if we stop paying fat-cat wages to individuals who promptly bank it out of the country and pay almost no tax. How can it be right that a fat cat's secretary pays more tax than him?

I am completely fed up with it and if we do nothing we only have ourselfs to blame.. Remember another hike is planned for August this year..

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alexblack13 wrote:We need to try! If we just accept these constant fuel tax hikes where does it stop. It is ruining our economy.


I am completely fed up with it and if we do nothing we only have ourselfs to blame.. Remember another hike is planned for August this year..

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My sentiments exactly. I live in a rural area where public transport is a joke & if you're lucky enough to have a job it's probably 20 odd miles away, therefore your own transport is essential & with the current high fuel costs, a large proportion of your earnings go towards simply getting there & back. How long will it be before it cost you more to get to work than you earn ?

We must at least try to fight.

I blame Margaret Thatcher.

Basic Facts of History; Mr Bond.

I don?t think that it?s reasonable just to compare the price of a litre of diesel or a litre of petrol to another country. The variation is down to how the UK has decided to levy tax, and it has gone for a low income tax and a higher consumable tax, giving folks the choice (in some instances) of how much tax they pay for how much they consume.

If you look at the income tax paid by a single person on an AVERAGE wage, the UK fairs a bit better than nearly all the other European countries. In fact, a lot better than Germany (still paying for unification), France, Belgium, Italy and the Scandinavian countries.



VAT or local tax averages around 20% in Europe, which of course means that some countries charge a lot more.

If you then look at the breakdown of fuel costs, the UK is in the top quartile due to the large proportion of excise added (instead of a higher income tax rate). But even still, the cost of petrol isn?t that much different to the cost in France, Germany, Belgium, and the Scandinavian countries?.diesel is, but then the vehicles are usually more economical (or used in business where the cost is passed on).



Given:

the probability that fossil fuels really have contributed a considerable amount to global weather change,

and the fact that they are an exhaustible resource which has been enthusiastically consumed to date

and the demand is increasing exponentially due to the demand from the emerging economies

is it reasonable to expect a price reduction in the near future? I reckon that the ex-head of Shell (in the USA) had it right when he said, last year, that fuel prices will double in the next 5 years, and probably double again in the following 10 years.

I?ll bet that not many of us (any of us?) on this forum drive everyday cars that get 60mpg petrol / 80 mpg diesel. They are available, and quite common / popular and cheap cars.

We all have options.

Mark

Mark,

Interesting statistics.... The highest rate of income tax in Poland is 32% so how do your statistics get 40 odd?

For the fuel prices to be meaninful they need to be devided by the average earnings.

the probability that fossil fuels really have contributed a considerable amount to global weather change
backed-up by what? the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapour from the oceans.

Fuel prices aren't going to double, we will just get a few nuclear power stations. Besides which we have about 200 years supply of coal in the UK.

Simon

Hi Mark,

Interesting point of view for an avid motorist with a few great big engined cars.... I remember your departure form yon pub in Donington when the big cat roared off up the road.... You naughty boy!!!

Anyway... I like others am fed up to the back teeth with tax tax tax... It has to stop somewhere. The haulage industry is on it's knees. The ferry companies have jacked up prices and are not now filling their ships. The clients I mentioned in Shetland are close to shutting up the shop. This is after about 1 mil investment 3 years ago. They are about to start buying all products in where they can because they cannot afford to 'import' their timber requirements.. By said ferry.

AND... One of my major clients in Aberdeen has announced closure of a shop which has been many (many) years in existence with the loss of about 100 jobs..They invested over 1 mil last year on a new machine.. All gone..

We need investment Mark and we need it now. NOT price hikes which push up inflation and help ruin the countries economy.

JMHO... I am no politician.

You going to Silverstone? bringing a Lotus?

Al' .......