?Stop me my Master? or ?As my Reservoir Gently Weeps?
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:03 pm
1970 Elan +2S, Dual Servo System, Tandem Master Cylinder
Master Cylinder (Girling 64676717)
Reservoir (Girling 64476296)
Earlier in the year I had some issues with my rear brakes. In the process of repairing the system, the mechanic rebuilt the master cylinder. A few months later the master cylinder started leaking from below the reservoir for the rear chamber only. The leak went from taking a week or so before requiring a top-up, to virtually emptying itself in a day.
I?ve read through the archives about this particular master, and realize the reservoir and gasket(s) are unobtainable and the repair has typically been to go to a single system or with a modified aftermarket setup. However, I don? think I?m ready to go either of those routes if I can fix my current one.
A few days ago I finally built up the nerve to squeeze myself into the footwell and remove the offending unit. What I discovered is that the reservoir itself seems intact, and that the leak is coming from where the reservoir inserts into the master. It looks as though this may be something I can repair, however I?m a little confused by the setup and how it is supposed to go together.
With reference to the pictures below:
1) When I removed the reservoir, the little rubber seat (B) came out ON the end of the nipple (as opposed to staying in the master.
2) When I looked in the groove (in the master) I could see the little metal ring (A), but it was not fully seated in the groove. I have since removed it, as it did not want to snap back into the groove easily.
3) Looking down into the master, there seems to be a location for the rubber seat (B) to insert into loc?n (E).
Questions:
a) Is the little rubber seat (B) supposed to ?press? into loc?n (E), instead of sitting on the end of the reservoir nipple loc'n D? Referencing the step in the seat in the pictures, which end of the seat is up?
b) Is the metal ring actually supposed to be there, or is it supposed to be an o-ring? which I do not have?
c) Does the metal ring (B) (or o-ring if that?s what?s required) sit in the reservoir groove loc'n (C), or live in the groove of the master loc'n (F)?
d) If it is what I need, where can I get another metal ring?
I?ve looked in the workshop manual, but the copy I have is not clear enough to show exactly what the setup is. It also does not provide a removal/reassembly procedure. The parts manual (also not clear) seems to show a much larger sleeve which presses into the master... which does not look to be my setup.
With what I currently have... I THINK that the little rubber seat (B) is supposed to press into the master cylinder loc?n (E). The metal ring lives in the groove loc?n (F). When the reservoir nipple is inserted, it snaps into place with the grooves lining up (by way of the metal ring) and pressing the end of the nipple into the rubber seat creating the seal.
I?d like to get this all confirmed, as I?m really not looking to remove the Master cylinder from the car again. Plus, the metal ring is a little warped and I don?t want to waste my time trying to repair it if I don?t need to.
Brandon
Master Cylinder (Girling 64676717)
Reservoir (Girling 64476296)
Earlier in the year I had some issues with my rear brakes. In the process of repairing the system, the mechanic rebuilt the master cylinder. A few months later the master cylinder started leaking from below the reservoir for the rear chamber only. The leak went from taking a week or so before requiring a top-up, to virtually emptying itself in a day.
I?ve read through the archives about this particular master, and realize the reservoir and gasket(s) are unobtainable and the repair has typically been to go to a single system or with a modified aftermarket setup. However, I don? think I?m ready to go either of those routes if I can fix my current one.
A few days ago I finally built up the nerve to squeeze myself into the footwell and remove the offending unit. What I discovered is that the reservoir itself seems intact, and that the leak is coming from where the reservoir inserts into the master. It looks as though this may be something I can repair, however I?m a little confused by the setup and how it is supposed to go together.
With reference to the pictures below:
1) When I removed the reservoir, the little rubber seat (B) came out ON the end of the nipple (as opposed to staying in the master.
2) When I looked in the groove (in the master) I could see the little metal ring (A), but it was not fully seated in the groove. I have since removed it, as it did not want to snap back into the groove easily.
3) Looking down into the master, there seems to be a location for the rubber seat (B) to insert into loc?n (E).
Questions:
a) Is the little rubber seat (B) supposed to ?press? into loc?n (E), instead of sitting on the end of the reservoir nipple loc'n D? Referencing the step in the seat in the pictures, which end of the seat is up?
b) Is the metal ring actually supposed to be there, or is it supposed to be an o-ring? which I do not have?
c) Does the metal ring (B) (or o-ring if that?s what?s required) sit in the reservoir groove loc'n (C), or live in the groove of the master loc'n (F)?
d) If it is what I need, where can I get another metal ring?
I?ve looked in the workshop manual, but the copy I have is not clear enough to show exactly what the setup is. It also does not provide a removal/reassembly procedure. The parts manual (also not clear) seems to show a much larger sleeve which presses into the master... which does not look to be my setup.
With what I currently have... I THINK that the little rubber seat (B) is supposed to press into the master cylinder loc?n (E). The metal ring lives in the groove loc?n (F). When the reservoir nipple is inserted, it snaps into place with the grooves lining up (by way of the metal ring) and pressing the end of the nipple into the rubber seat creating the seal.
I?d like to get this all confirmed, as I?m really not looking to remove the Master cylinder from the car again. Plus, the metal ring is a little warped and I don?t want to waste my time trying to repair it if I don?t need to.
Brandon