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Pop Bang Crackle

PostPost by: grumbly » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:41 pm

Since I've had my S4 it has exhibited excessive popping and banging on over run. Whilst I do like a little burbling this has always been excessive and has recently got worse, with visible flames from the exhaust at times I'm told.

I have checked:

Ignition timing
Vacuum leaks
Cam timing (Only as far as checking the timing marks and that the cam wheels are on the correct sides)
Carb float levels (DHLA)
Leak down test results all good.

and haven't been able to find anything amiss, any ideas?

I do currently have the head off to change a noisy water pump, and did note the the carb studs appear to be drilled incorrectly leaving a small step between the carb throats and inlet posts (60 thou max) but a little port fettling will resolve this.
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PostPost by: RogerFrench » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:20 pm

Your engine runs a bit rich on initial overrun, so there's unburnt fuel in the exhaust. If there's any possibility of air entering the exhaust system, that can cause the fuel to ignite with results as you describe.
Have you checked the exhaust for leaks?
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PostPost by: grumbly » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:59 pm

Sorry, I forgot to mention that I have had the exhaust system and manifold off, replaced the gaskets and Y piece and as far as I can tell it's air tight.
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PostPost by: nmauduit » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:00 pm

Popping also happens with too lean carburetion (or one spark not giving...) : the mix does not burn in the chamber, but if the exhaust is hot conditions for it to burn there can be met from time to time, hence the occasional bang...
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PostPost by: nigelrbfurness » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:13 am

Seems you've checked most obvious things, so it might be worth looking at less likely suspects such as the rotor arm, coil and the points. I change the points first whenever I adjust the timing as a matter of routine. It sounds more like an ignition fault to me based on experience. A failing condenser can also cause the same symptoms.

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PostPost by: William2 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 am

I had this problem on over run on my car. I took all the exhaust system off including the SS manifold and reassembled using jointing compound on all the joints as well as the manifold to cylinder head area. This appeared to fix the problem.
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PostPost by: grumbly » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:14 am

Thanks for the input guys. The car runs Luminition but I'm not sure if I have put a proper rotor arm in and will check.

The exhaust manifold gaskets do show some signs of leakage, although no undue noise was evident. The manifold face doesn't look to good so I will try to face this up a bit which will hopefully give a better seal and report back once the cars back together.
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PostPost by: Europatc » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:39 am

I agree I would go for to lean, I had the identical problem.
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PostPost by: grumbly » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:37 pm

Update, the frustration continues. All back together and running but the popping and banging persists.

Whilst the head was off I relapped all the valves and reshimmed to spec. Had a brief moment when I thought inhad found the problem when timing the cams. The exhaust cam was retarded 6 degrees. Sorting this and cleaning up the inlet ports has certainly perked the engine up, but the issue remains.

I also rebuilt the dizzy whilst it was apart, but couldn't find anything amiss.

The crackles are quite violent, but dissapear with only a hint of throttle, not much left, carbs?
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PostPost by: elanfan1 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:22 pm

Old fuel?
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PostPost by: elancoupe » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:41 pm

Webers? Turn your idle mixture screws out a little, maybe a half turn, or you could pull the choke on slightly. If this helps, you are too lean, richer idle jets could be in order.
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PostPost by: Elanman68 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:05 am

Also suggest you're running lean on the idle circuit. As suggested open your idle mixture screws up a little. I use a Colourtune plug (use 2 if you can, it's quicker) to ensure I have the mixtures the same in each cylinder, ish.
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PostPost by: grumbly » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:07 pm

Success, Thank you all for the input.

It would appear that the idle jet in the front barrel of the front carb was partially blocked. A little attention with a 0.5mm jet drill and peace and quiet is restored, :D
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PostPost by: Hawksfield » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:05 pm

Grumbly

Well done a process of elimination you are now a happygrumbly :lol:
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PostPost by: grumbly » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:12 pm

Thanks, I very nearly smiled.

Now if I can cure the running on in my TR6!
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