Burton water pump second O ring

[dgym]

I wonder if anyone can help me out, I’m fitting a burton water pump/cover and have all the kit parts. Not sure where the second smaller o ring should go? There’s a bigger one that clearly fits between the covers in a machined slot but this second one I’m not so sure where to put it. Second pic is my best guess.

[2cams70]

Yes that is the correct location for that O-ring. Burton never supply fitting instructions for kits such as this which is disappointing. It would take very little extra effort for them to do so.

[seniorchristo]

These were supplied with my Cortina Spares water pump/front cover assembly

[fatboyoz]

Hi gym,
Just about to fit the Burton kit to my S4. Can you give a description of fitting? Most concerned about any traps associated with the exercise.
Did you fit a new chain guide?
What sealants did you use?
Any leaks?
Did you do it with the engine in or out?
Cheers,
Colin.
Call me if you like. 04 one one 26 one one 40.

P.S. If anyone else has a guide on this, please post.

I wonder if anyone can help me out, I’m fitting a burton water pump/cover and have all the kit parts. Not sure where the second smaller o ring should go? There’s a bigger one that clearly fits between the covers in a machined slot but this second one I’m not so sure where to put it. Second pic is my best guess.

[Donels]

I had trouble keeping the large O seal in place to fit the pump. Lightly clamped over night then retains the shape with no trouble.

[fatboyoz]

Thanks Donels,
I have trial fitted the large O'ring, it is a press fit, and stays in place. So far.
Any other helpful hints?
Cheers,
Colin.
PS, I presume that it is Tamworth in the UK?

I had trouble keeping the large O seal in place to fit the pump. Lightly clamped over night then retains the shape with no trouble.

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[Donels]

Yes UK. Just get all components on the shaft in the correct order before assembly. It wasn’t obvious so I asked on this forum which corrected me. I would suggest you search this forum for Burton posts before assembling.

[englishmaninwales]

Hi gym,
Just about to fit the Burton kit to my S4. Can you give a description of fitting? Most concerned about any traps associated with the exercise.
Did you fit a new chain guide?
What sealants did you use?
Any leaks?
Did you do it with the engine in or out?
Cheers,
Colin.
Call me if you like. 04 one one 26 one one 40.

P.S. If anyone else has a guide on this, please post.

From memory, fitting this kit a few years ago:
1. Check backplate supplied by Burton is not bent, mine was. Prehaps a one off.
2. Sealant, I used anaerobic sealant on back plate to timing cover.
3. Check alignment of drive belt pulley boss. You may need to press it on the shaft further than for the standard pump.
4. Cap head fixings may need further turning down to clear drive belt pulley (they are supplied already partly chamfered).
5. Do a full trail assembly of all component on the engine. The central core of the timing cover casting (containing the coolant passage) was slightly off centre on mine. When fully assembled and the timing chain correctly tensioned, the chain fouled the central core. This required fettling to give clearance. Again this may have been a one off.
Burton replaced the backplate, and were unhelpful on the timing case casting. All said and done, once fitted, works perfectly.

Malcolm

[TBG]

At the risk of being really boring and repeating myself again, You really do not need the expense and hassle of a Burton water pump kit. All you need is a twin pulley system as shown below. Unloads the water pump and it lasts foe ever. Drawings supplied on request. D

[englishmaninwales]

TBG, I don’t doubt your system works well, seems very sensible with the belt loads improved.

In my case I was staring a rebuild. The back plate and front cover were scrap (cracked, bent, screwdriver lever damage, stripped sump fixings etc) so that spend was going to happen anyway. I’ve also had 5 decades of looking at, or waiting for, TC pumps to start leaking. The decision was easy.

So far since fitting, 5 years on, it has been 100% trouble free.

To be fair to the OP, the money has also been spent, just needing some fitting advice, rather than an alternative fitting/setup.
Malcolm

[fatboyoz]

Thanks Donels,
Cassettes already assembled from Burton.
I was referring to putting the kit onto the engine. Mainly sealants for the gasket/back cover to block and front cover to back cover.
Cheers,
Colin.

Yes UK. Just get all components on the shaft in the correct order before assembly. It wasn’t obvious so I asked on this forum which corrected me. I would suggest you search this forum for Burton posts before assembling.

[fatboyoz]

Thanks Malcolm,
Good guidance. Just to be clear, which sealant did you use on the gasket between block and back cover, and which sealant did you use between back cover and front cover?
Cheers,
Colin.

Hi gym,
Just about to fit the Burton kit to my S4. Can you give a description of fitting? Most concerned about any traps associated with the exercise.
Did you fit a new chain guide?
What sealants did you use?
Any leaks?
Did you do it with the engine in or out?
Cheers,
Colin.
Call me if you like. 04 one one 26 one one 40.

P.S. If anyone else has a guide on this, please post.

From memory, fitting this kit a few years ago:
1. Check backplate supplied by Burton is not bent, mine was. Prehaps a one off.
2. Sealant, I used anaerobic sealant on back plate to timing cover.
3. Check alignment of drive belt pulley boss. You may need to press it on the shaft further than for the standard pump.
4. Cap head fixings may need further turning down to clear drive belt pulley (they are supplied already partly chamfered).
5. Do a full trail assembly of all component on the engine. The central core of the timing cover casting (containing the coolant passage) was slightly off centre on mine. When fully assembled and the timing chain correctly tensioned, the chain fouled the central core. This required fettling to give clearance. Again this may have been a one off.
Burton replaced the backplate, and were unhelpful on the timing case casting. All said and done, once fitted, works perfectly.

Malcolm

[fatboyoz]

Thanks TBG,
I have been running Gilmer drive pulleys for the past 12 years. The belt is loose enough to be taken off by hand without fiddling with the alternator.
The water pump has done 60,000 miles, and still works, but is starting to screech. Want to get onto it before a failure on the road.
Cheers,
Colin.

At the risk of being really boring and repeating myself again, You really do not need the expense and hassle of a Burton water pump kit. All you need is a twin pulley system as shown below. Unloads the water pump and it lasts foe ever. Drawings supplied on request. D

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[Donels]

Rohan has advised a complete list of sealants, which I think most people take as the definitive list for TC’s. Search sealants and you’ll find his advice. That’s what I followed for my rebuild and pump fitting.

[TBG]

Colin - many hears ago I tried those pulleys but they kept snapping whatever we did to stop that happening, so I went down the twin pulley route. D