englishmaninwales wrote:Sorry to post yet another thread on this subject, I know it this has probably been done to death. My Rotoflex are due for replacement and I have the whole rear suspension off at present (for dampers, 1 new bearing carrier, new wishbone metalastic bushes).
Seems sensible to replace the driveshafts. I'm aware of these three current options:
Kelvedon (ex Sue Miller design) 2 CV with droop limiting dampers
Spyder combination CV/rotoflex
TTR 2 UJ sliding shaft
Not withstanding cost variation between the types, is there a consensus on the best? The car is an S3 coupe road use only.
Malcolm
For what its worth, my thoughts on driveshafts:
Rotoflex have little to recommend them. Cheap I guess in the day, but catastrophic failure modes and bounce in the driveline both unwelcome. I recall that the original intent was to have inboard brakes on the Elan but the Rotoflex weren't up to it.
UJs don't plunge so a sliding spline is used which has issues of its own. Splines lock under load, so when applying power, the rear suspension effectively locks up, feeding high lateral loads into the diff bearings. There is also the issue of the suspension unlocking at gearchange points, so potentially causing the car to jump if accelerating out of a bend. TTR UJ shafts are used in racing (I have them on my S3 - CVs are prohibited by the regs), but suspension travel on a racer is minimal, and I haven't noticed the 'jump' when coming out of a bend myself. It is interesting that low friction 'ball splines' were used in racing at the time to avoid this problem.
The UJ / Rotoflex hybrid has nothing to recommend it in my mind, but is the worst of all worlds. One of the reasons that CVs are used in FWD cars is that UJs introduce angular oscillation at high angles of displacement. Turn the input shaft of a UJ at a constant speed, and if the joint is at an angle, the output shaft goes slow-quick-slow-quick as the shaft rotates. That's why CVs are called CVs - the output is at a constant velocity whatever the angle. If you have 2 UJs at the same angle of deflection on a single shaft you can counteract this effect, one cancels the other out. The UJ/ Rotoflex does not, and therefore introduces this effect along with all the problems of having a Rotoflex.
Plunging CVs solve all the problems at the cost of limited angular displacement. As posted above, Rotoflex limit suspension travel anyway, so putting a droop limiting shock in doesn't really impact the amount of available droop.
There is an argument made that the cushioning effect of Rotoflex saves the driveline. My S3 has soft compound Yokohamas, an engine putting out 167BHP at the crank and TTR UJs. I have yet to have a transmission line problem.
My road going Sprint has Sue Miller CVs and droop limiting shocks. The Rotoflex went into the bin. Definitely the way to go IMO.