Lotus Elan

Door Lights

PostPost by: Dave-M » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:41 am

I have had a search but no results.
Can anyone tell me what vehicle the puddle and warning lights in the +2 door came from. I cant see that they were specially made for Lotus.
I have just found out that +2 courtesy lights (interior) were from a volkwagen. Don't know which model but should not be too difficult to track down if you need to.
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PostPost by: Jason1 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:50 pm

Sorry I do not know but there are a few on ebay at the moment that look new.

check items:

Item number: 4611540552
Item number: 4611512314

Item number: 4611532404
Item number: 4611534682

And in case you were wondering, I do not work for ebay but am addicted :D
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PostPost by: Dave-M » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:51 pm

Jason,
From one addict to another. I had seen the ones on ebay but, being a tight Yorkshireman, I thought I could find an alternative at a lot less money.
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PostPost by: Jason1 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:11 pm

Dave

I know where you are coming from; I have looked through the cross reference parts list myself.

Has anyone found a really comprehensive list????

I have the 'Authentic Lotus' book which has the list in the back but it is not really that comprehensive. Considering most of the parts look to me to be very similar to the BL, Ford, Triumph and Jag cars of the era you would have thought that the majority of the parts would be interchangeable and the list would be huge? :?

I have found buying Mini parts online so much easier than the +2 parts, it seems that with the +2 less parts are available to buy new and the retailers are at the moment stuck using the telephone to take orders. Don't get me wrong, I have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of parts that the likes of Sue Miller and Paul Matty can supply for what is a 30+ year old car, but sometimes it would be so much easier to be able see the thingy-ma-bob you need before purchasing.

It seems that someone must have put together a better list? Maybe Club Lotus? So +2 owners can take advantage of the excellent online shopping available to mini/ MG owners, or perhaps the current +2 parts retailers can PLEASE update their sites to allow online shopping :D


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PostPost by: M100 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:00 pm

Jason1 wrote:It seems that someone must have put together a better list? Maybe Club Lotus?


Slim to no chance! The Yahoo mailing list (893 members) and here (??? members) probably has more active owners contributing that Club Lotus ever had. If we can't do it here no one can.

The Mini parts situation for the very early cars is actually better now than it was 25+ years ago. Back then keeping a 1962 850 on the road was never difficult on the mechanical side, the trim was a different matter entirely. You could probably build an exact 1959 Mini lookalike from spares today if your pockets were deep enough.
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PostPost by: Dave-M » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:58 pm

Jason /M100,
Perhaps it's the cnyical side of me coming out here but if the Lotus dealers were to put an illustration of parts online, more people would be in a position to identify all the "Lotus" parts for what they are, taken from parts bins of any available car manufacturer.
Perhaps there is a nice business for someone who is prepared to take the time to identify all the "robbed" parts.
Local to me is a Classic car scrapyard and on one of my scavenging trips I had a natter with him, He told me he had a list from two Lotus specialists of all the parts from other cars which were common with Lotus and they bought all he could supply. The bu**er would not let me have a copy.
At the end of the day all the lotus only parts are Quite well engineered and reliable, Its all the other stuff we are looking for.
As I have more classics than I can afford, including a Hillclimb Mini, Thank God for Ebay, I can upgrade parts by buying and selling and keep them all in good, improving condition.
At the end of the day they are for using and enjoying, not to get paranoid about and throwing cash at.
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PostPost by: seaandmoor » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:33 pm

Hiya,
If you do find out let me know 'cos I've got the same problem!
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PostPost by: Si_130/5 » Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Hi there,

I could be writing rubbish BUT I think the Plus Two puddle / glovebox light was from BL. It was used as the boot light on the MkIV Spitfire and is available new.

Does anyone know where the +2 bonnet catches came from and if they can be had new?

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PostPost by: Dave-M » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:24 pm

Si, Ill check it out this afternoon, I have a local Triumph specialist. Let you know this evening. If it is correct I have a local Triumph Breaker as well so its all might turn out good
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Si,
Just got back. Found the white puddle / engine bay lamps, They are from a Triumph TR7 and come with a nice chrome bezel.
He had three kicking about and sold them to me for ?3. that's cheaper than ebay.
He didn't know about the red ones He specialises in Spitfire and GT6 and they dont have them fitted.
Wonder if the Triumph Stag had them?
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PostPost by: seaandmoor » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:47 pm

Hi Dave I've tried to reply to you but the stupid mail on elannet keeps sending it to myself. 5 times! Doh!
drop me a line to my normal email and I'll reply from there thanks.
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PostPost by: Jason1 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:58 pm

Hi Dave

I just found this old post and thought you might be interested :D

It's from Gareth Flanagan&Quo, thank you if you are still there :D


I have posted this list to the group before.......I'm not saying its the bible of where the bits came from but it?s a good guide......if anyone
knows any differences for certain please could you let me know so I can
update my list.......
Thanks
Gareth

Boot hinges ? Hillman Imp
Windscreen ? Ford Capri Mk1 , Consul Classic, Scimitar
Chrome windscreen Filler strip ? BL mini
Wiper blades ? Trico B7
Window motor Ford Wiper motor
Exterior door Handle, Early +2 BL 100 & 1300
Late +2s BL Dolomite, TR6, Toledo.
Interior Door Handle
Early +2 Ford Cortina Mk 1 & Mk 2
Late +2s BL Maxi, 1800 & 3 Litre
Cooling air intake Chrome trim ? Anglia Basic Saloon and Van
Front Bumber Ford Anglia
Rear Bumper Wolseley Hornet / Riley Elf Extended approx 1? by joining
three sections.
Door Check arms Rover 2000
Door hinge bushes same as Trunnion bushes.

Front Suspension
Front Discs ? Triumph
Vertical Link? Triumph
Steering arm? Triumph
Trunnion and kits? Triumph
Damper and anti roll bar bushes? Triumph
Upper Ball Joints? Triumph
Shock absorber Lower bushes ? Same as Differential torque bushes
Wheel Bearings ? Hoffman Inner 1A 17
Outer 1B 12

Rear Suspension
Upper Leg spring plate ? Ford Anglia
Disc ? Girling
Doughnuts ? Lotus only (Imp and Imp competition Doughnuts are the same
dimensions)
Wheel Bearings ? Outboard & Inboard 6206 2 RS
- Inboard with seal 412971
- Ford Cortina

Engine
Engine based on MK1 1500 Ford Cortina Engine block Many parts are Ford
Anglia, Classic, Cortina MK1 & MK2 Original fitment.
Oil Filter ? AC MF 63000A
Water Pump ? Some Parts are Ford.
Valve shims ? BL Rover SD1, Princess, Dolomite ( check thickness range)
Oil Pump ? Ford 105E, 1600 GT
Oil Pressure sender unit ? Smiths Part No. PT1817/06
Fuel Pump ? AC mechanical (Kit AC BD6)
Fan Belt ? Dynamo Belaco R547 or RH789
- Alternator RH 684
Air Filter ? AC 2047
Bellhousing and Crankcase plates ( 4 Speed Box ) Ford Cortina
Sump ? Ford Cortina

Gearbox
4 Speed Ford Corsair 200E
Mounting Ford Cortina ( Ford Part No 170169)
5 Speed Austin Maxi internals ? Lotus Case
Mounting Ford Cortina ( Ford Part No 170169)

Road Wheels
Wheel Trim - Ford Escort

Steering
Rack ? Basically Triumph Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire, but modified for Lotus
by fitting lock limiting spacers
Column & UJ ? Triumph Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire
Indicator Switch and housing Triumph Herald/Vitesse/Spitfire
Ford Cortina MK2

Brakes
All brake systems are Girling
Caliper Pistons ? Girling:
Front: Early 6432 5561 ( Kit ? SP 2501)
Late 6432 1880 ( Kit ? SP2589)
Rear 6432 5873 ( Kit ? SP 2515)
Rear Calipers Lotus only by Girling
Servo ? Girling Early kit SP 2228 / 3
Late kit SP 2625
Hoses Front & rear Girling 7404 7464

Cooling
Radiator ? Triumph ( two Types) ? Herald
Top hose ? Ford Anglia 105E

Fuel System
Sender unit ? Smiths
Filler Caps ? Scimitar, Gilbern, Triumph

Electrics
Main items ? Lucas ( some AC )
Points ? Lucas CS1 Cortina Mk1
Headlamps ? Lucas 700 ? BL Mini / 1100 etc
Headlamp Chrome Rim ? MGB.
Front Indicator Lamps ? Lucas ? Lotus only
Rear Lamps Lucas modified E-type Jaguar, Alfa Romeo
Number plate Lamp ? BL Wolseley Hornet / Riley Elf.
Wndscreen wiper switch ? Lucas , Cortina Mk1 & MK2
Starter Solenoid ? Lucas Part No 76766
Tachometer ? Smiths RVI 2402/04 (Positive Earth)
Dynamo ? Lucas C40 ? BL Mini, Ford Cortina.

Heating
Heater ? Smiths - MG Midget
Air Facia Vents ? Hillman Hunter ( circa 1965) Still made in Iran!

Clutch
Clutch Plate and Pressure plate ? AP 47625/209
Master Cylinder ? Girling 64068832 (Kit SP 1963)
Slave Cylinder ? Girling 64067950 ( Kit SP 2204)
Clutch operating arm/thrust bearing ? Ford Cortina.
Clutch Hydraulic Pipe ? Ford Anglia (Ford Part No.174 7211

Rear Drive
Diff internals ? Ford. Ratios differ, but all are ford except 3.55:
nearest is 3.54 Ford Escort RS.



Hope this is of interest

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PostPost by: Si_130/5 » Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:07 pm

Thanks Jason,

Perhaps we could use this thread to add to the list.

I believe our ashtrays were used on the VP 4ltr R although I accept this is a thoroughly worthless tit-bit.

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PostPost by: pmallinson » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:59 am

Jason1 wrote:Dave

I know where you are coming from; I have looked through the cross reference parts list myself.

Has anyone found a really comprehensive list????

I have the 'Authentic Lotus' book which has the list in the back but it is not really that comprehensive. Considering most of the parts look to me to be very similar to the BL, Ford, Triumph and Jag cars of the era you would have thought that the majority of the parts would be interchangeable and the list would be huge? :?

I have found buying Mini parts online so much easier than the +2 parts, it seems that with the +2 less parts are available to buy new and the retailers are at the moment stuck using the telephone to take orders. Don't get me wrong, I have been pleasantly surprised by the amount of parts that the likes of Sue Miller and Paul Matty can supply for what is a 30+ year old car, but sometimes it would be so much easier to be able see the thingy-ma-bob you need before purchasing.

It seems that someone must have put together a better list? Maybe Club Lotus? So +2 owners can take advantage of the excellent online shopping available to mini/ MG owners, or perhaps the current +2 parts retailers can PLEASE update their sites to allow online shopping :D


Jason


I actually offered to do an 'Alternate Parts Book' (see URL: http://www.lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2296) but other members didn't seem to keen on my offer or the need for 'another one' !!
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PostPost by: Jason1 » Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:28 pm

Yes, I have read your post and I disagree with the others. I think there is a real need for a new list. These parts are only going to get harded to get, the more sources we can find for parts the longer we can keep them on the road :lol:

The list in Paul's book would be a good start but I find that as a lot of the parts are shared on Elan and +2 it gets confusing as to which is for which. Also that there is not enough detail, for example; rear lights are from S2&3 E-type Jag, which Paul says, but I believe from looking at a friends classic Alfa that Alfa also used these lamps. A point to make on both vehicles is that although the lamp is the same the lense is different for the +2.

I for one would be happy to pay say ?10 for a good list (maybe more) that will save me a lot more in the future. To compile the list would take a lot of time so you would expect to be rewarded. The easiest way to sell it would be through Ebay.

If you are up for the task let me know how it goes and put me down for one. :lol:

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PostPost by: Si_130/5 » Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:23 pm

Hello Jason,

I agree it would be a very useful item.
I heard the rear lights from the prototype did come from the Alfa Giulia 105 but because Lotus used them on the Europa, Elan and +2 they were able to get Lucas to make them with a reversing lens. The Series 2 and 3 E-Type rear lights have remote reversing lenses so we can assume there is no reversing light in those units. I could be wrong.

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