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Elan +2 Convertible Spyder Zetec

PostPost by: Spyder fan » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:22 am

I was at Spyder the other week and Sean showed me a +2 which I'm pretty sure was a Christopher Neil conversion that they converted to zetec spec for a customer in 2013, it looked really tidy and I was surprised that it was up for sale and that there had been no interest for over 6 months!

Perfect for the summer i would have thought and even looks nice with the hood up.

Full Spyder Zetec Mechanical Conversion Spaceframe Chassis

2 litre 16 valve with engine
170 + bhp
Emerald ECU/Jenvey throttle body fuel injection
1973 late car.
Red paint in very nice condition
Black interior
Walnut dash,
Vented disc brakes servo assisted
Completely re-wired,
Hydraulic clutch
5-speed MT75 gearbox.
Led headlights
Motor-lita steering wheel will be fitted
Fully carpeted boot.
This car was built in 2013 by ourselves and has been well serviced since converted.
We have carried out servicing on the car throughout will be sold with a full service and mot.

Historic vehicle with free road fund licence.

PRICE £26,995.00


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PostPost by: alanr » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:04 pm

With global warming and the higher temperatures maybe having the sun beat down on you in a dhc is not so appealing anymore?

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PostPost by: HCA » Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:09 pm

No good anyone in France getting excited - it will not get registered as it is too modified, unless it has a single vehicle test that will cost the proverbial arm and leg.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:44 am

+1 no good in France not homologated.
I know of two in France taking the big risk and hope they don't have an accident.
Just with a spyder chassis is not legal + a ragtop +2. Or coute de peau de fesse.
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:23 am

That’s a shame regarding French regulations, is that unique to France or are there restrictions on modifications elsewhere in Europe.
I always think of France as being more liberal with regards to innovation especially to do with cars and motor sport. Is this an example of EU rules that are wrongly applied? I mean that the regulations are made with good intentions to protect consumers, but that if applied retrospectively we have these sort of problems?
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PostPost by: HCA » Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:22 pm

I think it is the same across the EU to a greater or lesser extent, depending on how individual countries categorise pre 1984 cars where there is no Certificat of Conformity.

All cars registered or re-registered in the EU must have a CoC. In France, collection cars are given a one off certificate by an organisation, FFVE, set up for the purpose. The only way that FFVE can certify a car is from records of the car as it was at the time. To get the certificate it is necessary to give all info you have on the car - numbers etc AND photographs of critical parts - engine, brakes etc. They use all this to compare with published information on the car - even calling archivists of the original cars - and issue a certificate if everything stacks up.

'Your' Spyder conversion may not appear in historical records on pre 1984 cars, and a photo of a Zetec engine in place of a recognisable twin cam will not bode well! (In fairness to their beaurocracy, I know for a fact that a Spyder chassis is accepted by FFVE as it is a replacement part and not regarded as a modification, but fuel injection in place of carburettors on an MGB, is not...) Now, it could well be that Spyder have filed a certificate of conformity for their conversions, but for the cost of doing so, I would be surprised.

Conversely, cars such as the Evante you and I have been talking about, are outside the remit of this FFVE organisation as it should have had a certificate at date of manufacture. I have exhausted all attempts to find this, so will not pursue it! Pity, as it is a tidy little car at a good price.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:27 pm

," I know for a fact that a Spyder chassis is accepted by FFVE as it is a replacement part and not regarded as a modification"
how do you know as a fact that a spyder chassis is accepted, that's new to me.
Could you tell me where you got this info please.

If you tell them in the UK you have changed a chassis you get a "Q" plate.

With a "Q" plate UK car it's impossible with the FFVE to register in France as Voiture de Collection ( only for cars 30 or more years old). The FFVE state if "Q" plate it's impossible to register using them.
I've registered 5 different "Voiture de collection" in France, that's two Elans and three TVRs.

Cars less than 30 years old impossible using FFVE in France, only possible with C of C or Titre Isoler.
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:42 pm

Here we go again , that old chestnut , when is a chassis not a chassis...

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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:04 pm

Please gentlemen, this was meant to be a simple post advertising a very nice car for a friend (Sean at SpyderCars)

I am still surprised it hasn’t sold, it is properly and correctly registered in the UK, and is tax exempt, it is not MOT exempt in the spirit of the UK MOT exemption because it has been modified. It’s a shame that in certain regions of Europe that it can’t be exported and registered and enjoyed.
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PostPost by: HCA » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:29 pm

I share your frustration Alan - if you think about it, very much so, there is as you know on the south coast an Evante with all the specs and half the price of the +2 except that thankfully it does not cater for two rugrats, it is ready to go and be enjoyed in the sunshine, it has a buyer, me, but nothing can happen because of two sheets of A4 cannot be found... :roll:

But if you are really good mates with Sean, you might slip him a bottle of malt, that I will furnish, and ask him to go through all the floppy discs from Evante Cars Ltd and pull out a conformity certificate... :D :D
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PostPost by: Spyder fan » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:42 pm

:lol:
HCA wrote:I share your frustration Alan - if you think about it, very much so, there is as you know on the south coast an Evante with all the specs and half the price of the +2 except that thankfully it does not cater for two rugrats, it is ready to go and be enjoyed in the sunshine, it has a buyer, me, but nothing can happen because of two sheets of A4 cannot be found... :roll:

But if you are really good mates with Sean, you might slip him a bottle of malt, that I will furnish, and ask him to go through all the floppy discs from Evante Cars Ltd and pull out a conformity certificate... :D :D


:lol: :lol:

I will try, seriously I will be going to see Sean soon, and I will bring it up. There must be some records from Fleur de Lys (Evante cars).

It’s crazy that you can replace an Elan +2 body with a MK1 Ford Escort style body using an Elan +2 identity and it’s allowed to be properly and legally registered in the UK, but that you can’t import a mildly modified car into France.
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PostPost by: alan.barker » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:50 pm

Ues,
I know that was my old 1968 +2 RAH 606F or reg someting like that. Maybe 605F. Sold it for £850 in around 1978 or 79.
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