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EARLY LOTUS ELAN BLOCK NOW SOLD

PostPost by: 512BB » Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:07 am

I have for sale an early Lotus Elan block for sale. It has just been rebored to +40, has been painted in grey, new core plugs fitted, and is ready to go. It is a 681 block with L cast into it, and LB stamped on the front face, or rear face, I cant remember which.

As i said, it is a very early block, as fitted to S1 & 2S, possibly S3s, as it has the screw in oil pick up pipe, not push in. I will send pictures to any peoples that are GENUINELY interested. The peeps that asked for pics of the new pistons I had for sale, with the price as stated in my ad, yet did not buy, and therefore were complete time wasters, need NOT apply.

The price of the block is ?550.

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PostPost by: bcmc33 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:32 am

The 681M blocks would have been intoduced late 1967. The block itself was really no different than the later 701M block, but the 701M came with the stronger square main bearing caps.
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PostPost by: reb53 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:10 am

I thought the 701 was a bit special.
According to this site anyway:

http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks.htm

I have an unbored one, complete with crank, rods, and pistons sitting in my workshop.
Wasn't counting on it being my pension fund, but thought it might be worth a few bob in the future.

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PostPost by: Elanintheforest » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:40 am

I think that you're right, Ralph. There was an engine on eBay a few months ago with a 701 that came from a Twincam Escort, and as a tatty looking engine needing a full rebuild, it sold for twice the amount I would have expected for a normal ratty twincam.

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:08 am

People pay silly money for 701 blocks and L blocks in general based on the article quoted above and other similalr stories. You really need to do a wall thickness test before you buy any block if you want to bore it to 83.5mm and beyond as the chance of the block being suitable seems to be the same for all the casting types

I dont believe there is any signficant difference between any of the 1500 block variations in terms of wall thickness of the bores based on my measurements and what is possible with normal sand casting techniques. However while I have measured up a representative sample of all the other blocks I have never had a 701 block to measure in detail.

In terms of building a racing block another area that appears to fail is the base of No 4 main bearing on the layshaft side up near the base of the bore, when running up around 9000rpm. This is the weakest main bearing if you look at the casting details. I would be interested in close up photos of this area in a 701 block to see if its been beefed up versus the other 1500 blocks.

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PostPost by: prloz » Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:14 pm

BEWARE OF THIS SELLER.
If you ask for a pic of the item he is selling you will be considered a time waster.
(Finally sent a poor image of battle scarred pistons. Only asking GBP295. Bargain :shock: )
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PostPost by: reb53 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:37 am

Rohan,
"I would be interested in close up photos of this area in a 701 block to see if its been beefed up versus the other 1500 blocks."

Is there any useful information you can get from photos with the crank in place, ( as I don't really want to pull it all apart) ?
If so, I'll dust the Instamatic off, otherwise I'll save my back and not bother dis-interring the block from it's current resting place.

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:14 am

Hi Ralph

If you can turn the crank so the casting at the base of the bore on the side between the main bearing and jack shaft is visible and take a photo I would appreciate it.

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PostPost by: 512BB » Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:49 pm

Peter, AKA prolog!

I have considered your comments carefully, and respond thus. You were correct in that my comment in my ad for the block that I have for sale, re time wasters, was aimed at you, and clearly you identified with it. But in all your other comments, you are wrong.

Its a shame that you have posted your reposte on a public forum, when I would have thought that a PM to convey your thoughts would have been more appropriate, especially as I did not identify you. But as you have gone public, then we shall keep it that way.

You sent me a PM asking for the piston numbers, and I gave them to you. In my ad, I described the pistons as NEW, which they are, with the price I was looking for, so you knew that. You then asked for some pictures, which I sent you. It was a high resolution picture of good quality, at least thats how it looks on my screen. After that, I heard nothing more from you, and deduced that you had been wasting my time. What other conclusion can one draw when you had all the facts before I sent you the picture. I have no problem sending anyone a picture of something I am selling, if it would help the sale along, but if the item is NEW, and a picture is then sent, but a sale is not forthcoming, then I wonder as to the buyers intergrity, as I do yours.

I have asked a forum member to post the picture I sent you, as I am not able to post the pictures that my camera takes on the site, due to their size, and the members can make up their own minds as to whether the pistons look BATTLE SCARRED. In fact, I would welcome comments if anyone can be bothered.

You know Peter, my father told me when I was a boy, that if I did not know what I was talking about, to keep my mouth shut. I suggest YOU follow his advice, as I do.

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PostPost by: reb53 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:23 am

Rohan,
Attached, (hopefully), are some photos.
If they are not helpful I am happy to take some more.
Just might need some re-direction....

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PostPost by: bcmc33 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:07 am

Leslie,

Are all the bores linered?

I hope liners are not hiding any nasties as was my block.
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PostPost by: 512BB » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:23 am

Brian,

This is all getting a little confusing. The pictures of the block that Ralph has posted, has nothing to do with me. He has posted them for Rohan, and my for sale ad has been somewhat hijacked. But I dont mind chaps, I can take it!

And to answer your question, if it was refering to my block, is NO, it has not been linered. Anyone willing to put up pictures of it if I send them to you? And No again, I wont call you a timewaster if you dont buy it!

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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:09 am

Leslie

If you want to send me a piccy or two I can resize them for you

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P.S. How come you didn't bid on the wheels they only went for ?1.04 ( Plus ?5.00 delivery)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/lotus-elan-plus-2 ... _500wt_947
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PostPost by: reb53 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:16 am

Sorry Leslie, I should have started a new thread... :oops:

I'm not sure how to, but if an Admin type can move this it might slow the confusion down.

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PostPost by: bcmc33 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:21 am

reb53 wrote:Sorry Leslie, I should have started a new thread... :oops:

I'm not sure how to, but if an Admin type can move this it might slow the confusion down.

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Top and bottom left of this page "NEW TOPIC". Just make sure you're in the correct listing for your thread.
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