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Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:54 pm
by berni29
Hi Guys

I am in parts collection mode at the moment and are planning to pick up a fully built Zetec Spyder chassis with all the ford/sierra parts (no diff or prop) on Friday.

I have always liked the idea of a full Zetec conversion, but really dislike the way the wheels seem to stick out too far. So I was going to use the standard suspension set up with a Zetec engine. However with the arrival of the full Spyder what I need to know is if I have some minilites made up in a 5.5J width (vs the standard 6J in this application) and a higher ET, lets say 40mm vs the standard 22mm, can I bring the wheels inboard enough so that they look standard or very close to, or will I hit the callipers? Is there much clearance to play with? Anyone experimented with this?

And by the way, I already have a spaceframe chassis (early non zetec one) built up using standard (ish) arms and hubs and was about to start modifying it to take the Zetec before the above happened.

Many thanks in advance

Berni

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:37 pm
by Spyder fan
Berni,
There is some useful information on this old topic viewtopic.php?f=31&t=47808

Most of the criticism I have heard regarding the +2 Zetec conversion wheels has been the large gap between the tyre and wheel arch….. looks like it’s on steroids or the 4x4 look etc etc. I haven’t come across a criticism of them sticking out too far.

This is my +2 Zetec with 14x6 rims with 185/65/14 tyres

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Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:24 pm
by berni29
Hi There

Your car does look great, and thank you for the link, I had read that one, and will certainly not be using a standard Spyder exhaust manifold. I think an oval exhaust might help clearance issues also.

I think the Spyder suspension is adjustable so the car can certainly be lowered to standard height. How do those spinners work on your car? The wheels are bolt on yes?

Once I have the chassis I will have to get some cheap Sierra or similar wheels and work out how much clearance there is between the callipers and wheel face and also the suspension and work out a desired ET.

All the best

Berni

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:28 am
by Spyder fan
The spinners are just elaborate lightweight plastic wheel centres, purely for show.

The Spyder suspension is simply an adjustable spring perch and doesn’t give a lot of scope for lowering, maybe look for a lower spring rate on the front than Spyder do as standard (too stiff imo).

Spyder now sell an improved manifold that overcomes the grounding issues, if you use a centre silencer there is scope to make a mounting using riv nuts into the chassis rail.

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:23 am
by elanfan1
[Spyder fan"]The spinners are just elaborate lightweight plastic wheel centres, purely for show.

Plastic tat on a Lotus harumph. They’ve been on quite a few years now is Berni the first to notice or actually say something about them? :lol:

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:29 am
by TBG
Steve said "Plastic tat on a Lotus harumph."

As I see it all Sprints have plastic tat stuck along the sides in strips!! Running for cover, D

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:24 pm
by Spyder fan
elanfan1 wrote:[Spyder fan"]The spinners are just elaborate lightweight plastic wheel centres, purely for show.

Plastic tat on a Lotus harumph. They’ve been on quite a few years now is Berni the first to notice or actually say something about them? :lol:


People only generally comment when there is something visually wrong or prominently different. For instance you expect to see spinners on a +2 (in most cases) so if they are present and unless you are doing a thorough examination the fact they are wrong or not quite right passes notice.

People expect to see sidewinder stripes on Elan's that have Sprint two tone paintwork, therefore very few people notice that mine say something different.
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Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:11 pm
by elanfan1
Thooper!

Sorry for thread drift!

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:38 pm
by TBG
Alan - how can you live with those gold wheels...............................Gosh how pure are black bumpers!! D

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:41 pm
by TBG
Those of you with a lot of dosh may have Sky Tv. You may have seen the programme " The White Lotus" - not two colours divided by stick on strips but white and pure like what I am!! D

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Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:51 pm
by Spyder fan
TBG wrote:Those of you with a lot of dosh may have Sky Tv. You may have seen the programme " The White Lotus" - not two colours divided by stick on strips but white and pure like what I am!! D

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Look at the state of those sill bottoms :roll:

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:34 pm
by TBG
It is called mud for those who don't go out much!! And Spanish mud at that!! "200k and rising with no need for stick on stripes!! D

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:54 pm
by alan.barker
But that's a S3 Se so no side winders but a stainless metal strip
Alan

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:49 pm
by TBG
So elegant.......................D

Re: Spyder conversion wheels with "wrong" offsets.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:04 am
by alan.barker
But no black paint under the Sill mmmmmm
Alan