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Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:18 am
by 661
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... &refType=0


1965 Lotus cortina
$100,000


Seller's description
Bob Pratt’s collection of 15 Ford Cortinas in the Bay Area.
12 Engines, pre and cross flow, Heads, Gearboxes, Wheels, Gauges, etc.
2 original Lotus Cortinas. 2 Ford Cortina Mk 1
1 Ford Anglia
9 Mk 2 Cortinas
Some of the cars are very rusty, and only good as parts cars.
Massive amount of spares, maybe a container’s worth.
$100,000. Takes everything.
We know what this stuff is worth.
Please call me for more information.

Placerville, CA





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Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 1:42 pm
by Elanintheforest
That lot would be double the price and then some over here!

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:19 am
by 661
I think the estate now looks like a really cool car.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:15 pm
by alanr
I am always totally amazed at the very high prices the Lotus Cortina or even the ordinary Cortina now makes in the UK.
Remembering and working on these cars in the '60's they were just ordinary and basically finished cars and not very well made. Rustbuckets really!
It was only the likes of Jim Clark racing them that made the Lotus Cortina a desirable beast.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:31 pm
by Slowtus
alanr wrote:I am always totally amazed at the very high prices the Lotus Cortina or even the ordinary Cortina now makes in the UK.
Remembering and working on these cars in the '60's they were just ordinary and basically finished cars and not very well made. Rustbuckets really!
It was only the likes of Jim Clark racing them that made the Lotus Cortina a desirable beast.



Not quite "only" some of us found them desirable from day 1.

Which is why I bought two in less than a month, one for me and one for the missus; an "ordinary" saloon which she enjoyed as much as our S2 Elan - sold because it was too small for our needs. :D

Both had rust but neither were rustbuckets. :shock:

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:03 pm
by Elanintheforest
alanr wrote:I am always totally amazed at the very high prices the Lotus Cortina or even the ordinary Cortina now makes in the UK.
Remembering and working on these cars in the '60's they were just ordinary and basically finished cars and not very well made. Rustbuckets really!
It was only the likes of Jim Clark racing them that made the Lotus Cortina a desirable beast.


Alan, you missed out the Escorts as well, with the best Twincams and RS1600 (Cosworth BDA) climbing over £100k now.

I think there are a few factors that influence the values. Perhaps the main one is that most of us knew somebody who had a Cortina or an Escort, and many of us learnt to drive in one and had as a youth. And if you like the Cortina, then you’ll really like the GT and love the Lotus version!

Another factor is the competition history of the cars, the Lotus Cortina in particular. Driven by the likes of Jim Clark, Jack Sears, Sir John Whitmore, Graham Hill, Jackie Ickx, Jackie Stewart and many others, they were the giant killers of the time with proper racing heroes at the helm. The statement ‘race on Sunday sell on Monday’ was never more true than with the Lotus Cortina, which really put Ford UK on the competition map for the next 25 years, got Cosworth going with a leg-up with Ford, which in turn created one of the greatest ever F1 engines, the DFV.

The Ford / Lotus relationship really helped Lotus as well of course, providing considerable income to fund their F1 team, the Indianapolis team in 1965, and of course, provide the stability that must have helped the move to Hethel.

The downside of the Lotus Cortina today is the cost of restoration, as the shells were, as you pointed out, prone to turn to dust in out damp and salt ridden winter climate. It’s not unusual to have to spend £10k - £20k on panels alone to repair the cars, and a shell restoration and paint to a high standard can take well over 1000 hours.

So they do have a bit of glamour due to their completion history, they are top-of-the-pile for the run-of-the-mill Cortinas, they were and are pretty rare cars. Above all, they are brilliant fun to drive, way more than you may think for a car based on a stodgy family saloon.

Mark

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:26 pm
by alanr
I served an apprenticeship in a Ford main dealer and also passsed my driving test 5weeks after my 17th birthday in a red Mk1 Cortina GT. Happy days of very enjoyable and youthful fun!
I remember the problems we had with the very early MK1 Lotus Cortina's which had radius arm A-frame rear suspension which soon knocked out the bushes and had excessive tyre wear if not re-set up on an almost monthly basis.
Ford within a few months quickly changed the Mk1 Lotus Cortina to a standard leaf setup.

It is just the silly prices paid today in the UK for these cars that really does make me wince!

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:26 am
by Elanintheforest
They are not the best value for money for sure Alan! But the enthusiasm for the blue oval from the 1960s and 1970 shows no sign of slowing down yet. I'm sure it's a generation thing, as is most enthusiasm for 1960s classic cars, and of course the Cortinas and Escorts were amongst the last of the 'British' cars to be built, which probably figures in the desirability somewhere.

Minis are another classic that have gone mad with prices, with very early cars, Coopers and Cooper 'S' at very high levels. I bought a Cooper 'S' whilst at school for £25, and it turned out to be a very rare 970. After 18 months hard work restoring it on a shoestring, I was happy to sell it for £175 !!

A perfect one sold a couple of years ago for £78,000. Oh well!

Mark

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:12 pm
by HCA
Lack of quality goes out the window when it comes to some cars - the Cortina Mk1 being one of these.

The Cortina liberated many families of the day to get out in a fairly decent sized car.

Someone mentioned the Cortina 1 GT. Now they were almost as iconic as the Lotus and as distinctive on the road. I remember buying one in 1979 and just loved it - with its styled dashboard, the full array of instruments and the stubby gear lever. Could not peel skin of a rice pudding, but who cared :D

The Cortina 2 though never really hit the spot for me.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:50 pm
by englishmaninwales
I passed my driving test in my father’s 1965 Lotus Cortina in 1975. It was an early Aeroflow model but with the early A frame rear suspension. He’d owned it at that time for 9+ years (an ex demonstrator).
The driving tester was very pleased, the first time he’d been in one. He reflected that it was a pity the ride was ‘on duty’ and giving it a good run was not an option!
The car did 150k miles in our ownership until the early 1980s. It had every possible ailment from multiple rear suspension failures with resulting axle casting breakages, failed diff, plus a failed gearbox, dreadful oil consumption, rust everywhere, split prop balance problems and so on. Eventually we patched up the body work, rebuilt the engine and fitted GT cortina leaf spring rear suspension - at last it became reasonably reliable.
I searched for it about 5 years ago (with some help from Mark (Elanintheforest) and it seems it was probably written off in a road rally a couple of years after we sold it.
Malcolm

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:08 pm
by h20hamelan
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966- ... ina-mk1-7/

Nice original USA model, maybe not the brake master.

Re: Lotus Cortinas anyone?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:46 am
by h20hamelan