Lotus Elan

Is this an S3 or an S4?

PostPost by: danielmo » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:10 pm

This car is (and has been for a while) for sale in Vancouver, BC. It is being advertised as an S3, but has rocker switches and rectangular tail lights. It also has the earlier round rear wheel arches. Was there some crossover between the S3 and S4? The other thought I had, was maybe the rear half of the car was replaced at some point?

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/ctd/5400059130.html

Dan
danielmo
Second Gear
Second Gear
 
Posts: 157
Joined: 05 Nov 2003

PostPost by: Mazzini » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:20 pm

I think its mostly S3 :D Can you find out the chassis number?
User avatar
Mazzini
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 1894
Joined: 11 Dec 2010
Location: NE UK

PostPost by: pharriso » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:24 pm

Definitely S3 body, Is this one of the S3 Super Safeties? I'm not too up on them but my understanding is that they included some S4 features in the S3.... looks nice...
Phil Harrison
1972 Elan Sprint 0260K
User avatar
pharriso
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 2798
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
Location: Long Island NY, USA

PostPost by: roblotus79 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:55 pm

I've seen this car up close and have given it a test drive as I was considering purchasing it. I think it is a Super Safety. The car is in great shape, everything mechanically good, paint and body is great. It was just a matter of price.

I've met the owner too at car shows previously, very nice guy. Did a lot of the work himself and has owned it since 1969!
50/2180 1969 Elan Plus 2
1990 Esprit Turbo SE
1986 Carrera 3.2
1982 Turbo Esprit - SOLD
1970 Europa S2 - SOLD
roblotus79
Second Gear
Second Gear
 
Posts: 80
Joined: 29 Aug 2013
Location: North Vancouver

PostPost by: stevebroad » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:05 pm

I don't think it is an SS as the knock on nuts are the original UK variant. Also, the interior door handles are also the original style and it has been mentioned in another thread that these were changed in the SS model

Engine cam cover is the original/early one.

Lotus had a habit of using up surplus stock at model changeovers. My friend has an S1/2 and it is recorded as such with Lotus.

Or, as I did, someone decided to update their S3 :-) A quote from the advert is telling:

body-off backbone chassis restoration and upgrades

As mentioned above, the VIN would help.
stevebroad
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 930
Joined: 08 Mar 2004
Location: Essex, England

PostPost by: RogerFrench » Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:35 pm

Taill lights and switches are S4, but the dash is an 'Upgrade" so switches might easily have been changed at that time, and same with the tail lights. S4 type are much more readily available than S3!
1967 Elan S3
1972 Europa Twin Cam
2005 Elise
User avatar
RogerFrench
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 619
Joined: 01 Dec 2009
Location: Richmond, TX

PostPost by: nigelrbfurness » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:10 am

Without a doubt a modified S3. The "SS" model did have rocker switches and the absence of the dash mounted ashtray might point to it being an SS dash. S3 interior door handles are visible too. A non-original steering wheel points to a car that's been "personalised" as do the wheels. It could have originated as an SS model because the spinners can easily be changed, perhaps the SS spinners won't work with those wheels? However, if I remember correctly the SS had reflectors let into the front bumpers just ahead of the front wheelarches.

Finding the original spec is going to be hardest part of restoring this one!

Nigel F.
1970 S4SE/1760cc big valve/SA-AX block, L2s, 45DCOEs, 1978 Jensen GT, 1962 AH Sprite, Alfa-Romeo 159, 1966 Bristol Bus, 1947 AEC Regal bus.
nigelrbfurness
Third Gear
Third Gear
 
Posts: 397
Joined: 04 Apr 2008
Location: Dunmow, Essex, UK

PostPost by: trw99 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:39 am

That dash is not Lotus original, it is a burr walnut replacement from the looks of it. The SS dashes had red rather than white switch labelling.

SS models are always tricky to pin down. Many of them have some, but not all, of the features that the later ones had. Although destined for the Federal market, some ended up being sold in the UK after appropriate rectification.

Tim
User avatar
trw99
Coveted Fifth Gear
Coveted Fifth Gear
 
Posts: 2830
Joined: 31 Dec 2003
Location: Essex/Herts border, UK

PostPost by: Elan45 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:26 pm

It is not an SS. Interior door handles are early S3 and the pull handles as part of the window frame is more telling. SS have plastic door pulls mounted in the door recessed panel. Yes, SS had reflectors, but they were just mounted on a normal S3 body, At the front, just above the bumper.

I'd guess this was a normal (maybe S/E) S3 Elan that was hit from behind and repaired with an S4 rear panel, which back in the 70s was all that was available from Lotus. The dash is obviously not original, I would assume this was the upgrade. I'd guess this car had aa vin in the 6000 range.

Roger
'67 Elan S3 SS DHC
'67 Elan FHC pre-airflow
'67 Elan S3 SE upgrade to 26R by Original owner
'58 Eleven S2 (ex-works)
'62 20/22 FJ (ex-Yamura)
'70 Elan +2S RHD
'61 20 FJ project
'76 Modus M1 F3
Elan45
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 882
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Location: Ohio, USA

PostPost by: Elan45 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:34 pm

Notice the car has single circuit brakes. The biggest safety feature of the SS was dual circuit brakes and this car does not have that.

Roger
'67 Elan S3 SS DHC
'67 Elan FHC pre-airflow
'67 Elan S3 SE upgrade to 26R by Original owner
'58 Eleven S2 (ex-works)
'62 20/22 FJ (ex-Yamura)
'70 Elan +2S RHD
'61 20 FJ project
'76 Modus M1 F3
Elan45
Fourth Gear
Fourth Gear
 
Posts: 882
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Location: Ohio, USA

Total Online:

Users browsing this forum: fj55mike and 11 guests