Lotus Elan

Windscreen Wiper

PostPost by: dlbarnes1 » Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:20 pm

Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them. The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch" which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC
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PostPost by: "Ian Phillips" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:16 pm

David

What is you need to know about the wiper/switch circuit?

As you say the circuit includes a 'parking' switch, but is slightly
complicated by the fact that the motor has two speed and is deliberately
shorted out in the off and parked position so that it is dynamically braked.

I have a hand drawn sketch which I could scan and post unless your question
can be answered in text.

Ian Phillips

68 S4 DHC


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Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch
circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply
shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them.
The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch"
which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given
the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC





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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:31 pm

The parking switch is part of the wiper motor. There is a little round cover which can be rotated to have the switch "make" and park the wipers where you wish. It's about 1-1/2" (40mm) diameter.
Roger

>> ***@***.*** 9/1/03 6:47:28 PM >>>
Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them. The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch" which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given the configuration of the switch.

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PostPost by: "Ian Phillips" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:40 pm

Roger

The type of motor that had the rotatable parking switch was fitted to the
earlier Elans. I think that from the S3 (I'd better keep my head down now)
onwards the motor was the permanent magnet type with non adjustable
switches.

Ian Phillips

1968 S4 DHC

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The parking switch is part of the wiper motor. There is a little round cover
which can be rotated to have the switch "make" and park the wipers where you
wish. It's about 1-1/2" (40mm) diameter.
Roger

>> ***@***.*** 9/1/03 6:47:28 PM >>>
Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch

circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply
shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them.
The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch"
which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given
the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC





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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:54 pm

Ian,

I don't have a S4, but do have a late '69 home market +2S and it has the later round motor. To be honest, I've never had one of the later motors apart, but have the earlier ones. And I do know that my S3-SS, one of the last batch of S3's, does have the early style motor. So, I stand corrected that the S4 and later cars are not adjustable park, but I'll share my egg face with you on the S3 issue.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 9/2/03 4:37:20 PM >>>
Roger


The type of motor that had the rotatable parking switch was fitted to the
earlier Elans. I think that from the S3 (I'd better keep my head down now)
onwards the motor was the permanent magnet type with non adjustable
switches.

Ian Phillips

1968 S4 DHC

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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Windscreen Wiper


The parking switch is part of the wiper motor. There is a little round cover
which can be rotated to have the switch "make" and park the wipers where you
wish. It's about 1-1/2" (40mm) diameter.
Roger

>> ***@***.*** 9/1/03 6:47:28 PM >>>
Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch

circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply
shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them.
The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch"
which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given
the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC





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PostPost by: dlbarnes1 » Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:06 pm

Thanks Ian - I would appreciate the sketch. If you want to e-mail me direct, it's ***@***.***
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David

What is you need to know about the wiper/switch circuit?

As you say the circuit includes a 'parking' switch, but is slightly
complicated by the fact that the motor has two speed and is deliberately
shorted out in the off and parked position so that it is dynamically braked.

I have a hand drawn sketch which I could scan and post unless your question
can be answered in text.

Ian Phillips

68 S4 DHC


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Barnes" <***@***.***>
To: <***@***.***>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 11:47 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Windscreen Wiper


Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch
circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual simply
shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between them.
The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking switch"
which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out given
the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC





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PostPost by: "kandmpc" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:51 pm

If the wiper motor is the same as the +2 you will find an excellent
article at www.vtr.org/maintain/wiper-motor/

Ken
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PostPost by: "Ian Phillips" » Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:13 pm

Ken

That's a good link and much better than my sketch

Ian Phillips

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If the wiper motor is the same as the +2 you will find an excellent
article at www.vtr.org/maintain/wiper-motor/

Ken




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PostPost by: lotuselan2 at aol.com » Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:30 pm

Thanks Roger, you got it right. Now if only the motor I bought had that
little switch!
Ken
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PostPost by: gobw2 » Wed Sep 03, 2003 3:11 am

Yup - ^U better, unless they found the old style in some corner when they
put mine together. Geroge with no magnets in my motor, and adjustable
park can.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:37:20 +0100 "Ian Phillips"
<***@***.***> writes:
Roger

The type of motor that had the rotatable parking switch was fitted to the
earlier Elans. I think that from the S3 (I'd better keep my head down
now)
onwards the motor was the permanent magnet type with non adjustable
switches.

Ian Phillips

1968 S4 DHC

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Sieling" <***@***.***>
To: <***@***.***>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Windscreen Wiper


The parking switch is part of the wiper motor. There is a little round
cover
which can be rotated to have the switch "make" and park the wipers where
you
wish. It's about 1-1/2" (40mm) diameter.
Roger

>> ***@***.*** 9/1/03 6:47:28 PM >>>
Does anyone have detailed knowledge of the windscreen wiper and switch

circuit for the S4/Sprint? The wiring diagram in the workshop manual
simply
shows the wiper and switch as boxes with the color coded wires between
them.
The description in the manual refers to the operation of a "parking
switch"
which gives some hints about the circuit, but I can't figure it out
given
the configuration of the switch.
David, 72 Sprint DHC





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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Wed Sep 03, 2003 5:50 am

You can still get the switches from lucas dealers(same as the old mini)
john
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Thanks Roger, you got it right. Now if only the motor I bought had that
little switch!
Ken
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PostPost by: lotuselan2 at aol.com » Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:28 am

John
What is a "lucas dealer"?? Does such a thing exist? I can just see me
trying to explain to one what I want! It takes a special talent to flick that
switch at the right instant to park the wipers!
Ken
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PostPost by: DAve » Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:51 am

A man with no scruples?
A sadist?

At 08:25 PM 9/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
What is a "lucas dealer"??
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PostPost by: dlbarnes1 » Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:53 am

Thanks - This article gives me the info I needed on the wiper-switch circuit.
David, 72 Sprint DHC

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If the wiper motor is the same as the +2 you will find an excellent
article at www.vtr.org/maintain/wiper-motor/

Ken
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PostPost by: john.p.clegg » Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:00 am

Ken
I don't know where you hail from but not that far from me (didsbury) is a
lucas dealer(sells lucas equipment) i went there a while ago with the same
problem and came away with a new off the shelf w/w motor parking switch,also
a new set or alternator brushes.
you're now going to tell me that your w/w motor has no provision for this
switch aren't you
john
68plus2


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John
What is a "lucas dealer"?? Does such a thing exist? I can just see me
trying to explain to one what I want! It takes a special talent to flick
that
switch at the right instant to park the wipers!
Ken






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