S3 Original hub color (colour)?

PostPost by: marcfuller » Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:36 pm

Can anyone tell me what the original hub finish was on an S3? Thanks in
advance.
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PostPost by: davidallen » Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:59 pm

All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look on a
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

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PostPost by: s2lola » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:06 pm

The question is "Do you like the LO5 colour" and not whether your paint guy
likes it - unless of course he's footing the tab for the work, in which case
he has a say!

I think they are both great colours - pick what you like. In fact, I saw a
Civic the other day (equipped with the body kit, 8" dia pipe, goofy wheels
and all) painted in what I was sure was a "vintage" dusty metallic green
colour - talked to the kid, turns out it was a 1998 Nissan truck colour (one
year only, and not available here in Canada). I thought it had a very
British vintage look to it!

Cheers,
Bill Tebbutt

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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Original colour


All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look on a
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non
+standard
engine?

David




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PostPost by: tvacc » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:15 pm

I painted my Elan the red from the Nissan 300ZX.or what ever that twin
turboed beast was from the 93 and 94 years.



Once you decided to paint the car and removed the old paint.any "value" in
the original color went out the window. I believe the value in the original
color lies in the fact that it is also the original paint as well.



Red is Red..whatever you like.



If it were me..I would paint it Pistachio over white..the rarest color of
them all.



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All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look on a
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

David




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PostPost by: lotuselan2 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:42 pm

David

I won't go into original versus non-original, but I will comment about paint
colors. Red has always been the most difficult color for long term color
fade. Ciba Geigy has spent a LOT of money to make a bright red pigment for
the high-end cars sold in red colors. It is just a fact of the color; most
reds fade! Since we all think about longevity of our cars or we wouldn't be
here, one might do some research on the pigments going into the paint. How
many late '80's red Toyota's have you seen with half the panels faded to
pink and others not.



I am not sure how to research the pigments going into a paint code. I'm
sure DuPont and PPG can supply information if you get to the right people.
One way might be to select a color used on a high-end car built since about
1998 or a bit later. I'm not sure a Viper fits into that category since it
is a piece of plastic set on top of a monster motor. Obviously late (not
early) Ferrari reds would be good, but Lexus and all of those type cars are
sure to have the "good" reds.



My work as a plastics engineer has given me some knowledge of pigments.
Maybe there is a better expert out there that can be more explicit about
long-lasting red pigments.



My +2 is done in a Jaguar Paint code HFB I believe, Brookland's Green.

Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Original colour



All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look on a
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

David




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PostPost by: "freddy22112211" » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:04 pm

- I rather fancy blue at the moment,
either blue over white with gold:
http://www.lotuselan.de/a/lotus8/947.jpg
or just blue with gold:
http://www.lotuselan.de/a/lotus8/922.jpg
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PostPost by: cliveyboy » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:13 pm

David
Bill and the guys speak for me about colour shades.
If it looks right it is right.
I have never met a person that could distinguish the "exact" correct paint
shade on a brand new resprayed car compared to the "exact" correct shade on
a faded 40 year old car.
I defy anyone to produce an exact replica and perfect shade of the original
40 year old paint.
What will you compare it to a 40 year old faded colour chart?
Even if you mix it to the original paint spec, the paint we have now is
vastly superior (better depth, shine etc) and has got to give different
results.
Go walk around a few car parks and show rooms to see what colours look good
on a car.
Go talk to a body shops and ask them what colours/shades give the best
results.
Personally I have never had anyone say the paint work on any of my cars is
1/2 a shade too light (and obviously the car is totally devalued because of
it).
Only that the car looks good and they love the bright orange paint work.
Don't go spending money to please other people, get the paint job that you
are happy with.

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PostPost by: dlbarnes1 » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:46 pm

I agree with this comment and will add my experience. I decided to paint myElan red, but not bright red and wanted a high quality, durable finish. I looked at the high end cars, as mentioned, and found a darker shade of red that appealed to me.
The color is from a 02 BMW M3 Convertible and is called Imola Red. It is non-metallic and was supplied by PPG.
Dave 72 Sprint DHC
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David

I won't go into original versus non-original, but I will comment about paint
colors. Red has always been the most difficult color for long term color
fade. Ciba Geigy has spent a LOT of money to make a bright red pigment for
the high-end cars sold in red colors. It is just a fact of the color; most
reds fade! Since we all think about longevity of our cars or we wouldn'tbe
here, one might do some research on the pigments going into the paint. How
many late '80's red Toyota's have you seen with half the panels faded to
pink and others not.



I am not sure how to research the pigments going into a paint code. I'm
sure DuPont and PPG can supply information if you get to the right people.
One way might be to select a color used on a high-end car built since about
1998 or a bit later. I'm not sure a Viper fits into that category since it
is a piece of plastic set on top of a monster motor. Obviously late (not
early) Ferrari reds would be good, but Lexus and all of those type cars are
sure to have the "good" reds.



My work as a plastics engineer has given me some knowledge of pigments.
Maybe there is a better expert out there that can be more explicit about
long-lasting red pigments.



My +2 is done in a Jaguar Paint code HFB I believe, Brookland's Green.

Ken

'69 Lotus Elan +2 with BDR

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All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look ona
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

David




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PostPost by: elancoupe » Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:00 am

It's my feeling that, if you invest a lot of time and money to get a
car how you want it, it should at least be a color of your liking.

I have worked in the body and paint field for over 30 years, and can
honestly say that most (not all) of the original Lotus colors are
pretty bland in comparison with their modern counterparts.

I bought my car 26 years ago. It was non original Royal Blue when I
bought it, I knew it, and did not care. The color looks right on the
car in my eyes, and putting the original Cirrus White back on was
never an option.

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PostPost by: "Mike Henry" » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:16 pm

Well I've joined this list as an Elan wanna be, I'd love to have one
keeping my Europa company. But I've just got to come out of my
lurking mode and offer my opinion after noticing that not one of the
replies supported using the original color. In the world of
collectable cars, this is one of the things to look for. Yes, the
original colors were a bit odd in some cases, but after spending 11
months prepping the car, and I presume the rest of the car will be
in restored condition too, it seems like a mistake not to use the
original color. I suspect that quibbling over it being difficult or
not possible to match the same exact shade, or appearance really
amounts to taking the easy way out. You can get very close and it
also helps to break the high gloss catalyzed shine with color
sanding and buffing. And I should point out that using a heavy
metalic "modern" paint will look odd side by side with a correct
car, to me anyway.
Another thread is talking about values going up, the "correct" cars
are always going to be the ones at the top. On the subject of engine
swaps, while I would admire a BDA powered car, I would not actually
buy one for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is that I
know how brutilized the car has been. And if I wanted a Japanese
powered car, the Miata seems to be pretty popular and often compared
to the Elan. If that doesn't rile you up, nothing will.
I personally will not look twice at an Elan with an engine swap, I
want the original TC.

Ultimately these are our own cars and we follow your own interests.
I've been down the path of "improvement", which is why I have strong
opinions now. The reformed/recovered are truly a PITA. Eventually I
think you will make a comparison to other Elans, and maybe that
should be one of the criteria you use while trying to decide.

Good luck! The most important thing is that I know you'll enjoy your
car when it's back on the road.
Mike Henry

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PostPost by: simon.mitchell » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:44 pm

I too wouldn't look twice at a car painted in a 'non-original' colour - I
painted my Zetec converted Plus 2 in good old Lotus French Blue..

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Well I've joined this list as an Elan wanna be, I'd love to have one
keeping my Europa company. But I've just got to come out of my
lurking mode and offer my opinion after noticing that not one of the
replies supported using the original color. In the world of
collectable cars, this is one of the things to look for. Yes, the
original colors were a bit odd in some cases, but after spending 11
months prepping the car, and I presume the rest of the car will be
in restored condition too, it seems like a mistake not to use the
original color. I suspect that quibbling over it being difficult or
not possible to match the same exact shade, or appearance really
amounts to taking the easy way out. You can get very close and it
also helps to break the high gloss catalyzed shine with color
sanding and buffing. And I should point out that using a heavy
metalic "modern" paint will look odd side by side with a correct
car, to me anyway.
Another thread is talking about values going up, the "correct" cars
are always going to be the ones at the top. On the subject of engine
swaps, while I would admire a BDA powered car, I would not actually
buy one for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is that I
know how brutilized the car has been. And if I wanted a Japanese
powered car, the Miata seems to be pretty popular and often compared
to the Elan. If that doesn't rile you up, nothing will.
I personally will not look twice at an Elan with an engine swap, I
want the original TC.

Ultimately these are our own cars and we follow your own interests.
I've been down the path of "improvement", which is why I have strong
opinions now. The reformed/recovered are truly a PITA. Eventually I
think you will make a comparison to other Elans, and maybe that
should be one of the criteria you use while trying to decide.

Good luck! The most important thing is that I know you'll enjoy your
car when it's back on the road.
Mike Henry

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PostPost by: s2lola » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:53 pm

Simon,

You're a riot! You wrote...."I too wouldn't look twice at a car painted in
a 'non-original' colour - I painted my Zetec converted Plus 2 in good old
Lotus French Blue". I assume you're just having us on, right?

I mean, really. You're not actually suggesting the original colour should
be more important to a buyer than the originally-spec'd engine/drivetrain,
are you?

Pls confirm that you simply have a great sense of humour, and are just
trying to get us going!

Cheers,
Bill Tebbutt

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PostPost by: simon.mitchell » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:59 pm

Just kidding Bill - thought it was getting a bit quiet!
I did go for French Blue though as I thought it suited the car best

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Simon,

You're a riot! You wrote...."I too wouldn't look twice at a car painted in
a 'non-original' colour - I painted my Zetec converted Plus 2 in good old
Lotus French Blue". I assume you're just having us on, right?

I mean, really. You're not actually suggesting the original colour should
be more important to a buyer than the originally-spec'd engine/drivetrain,
are you?

Pls confirm that you simply have a great sense of humour, and are just
trying to get us going!

Cheers,
Bill Tebbutt

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PostPost by: Bill » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:20 am

I painted my 1600 in Chrysler Viper red (1996-7 I think). As close as damned is to swearing as for match to the origional Cardinal red - but much morebrilliant. It was done with Zicones product with a clear coat and is now 8years old.

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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Original colour


All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!) and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look ona
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

David




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PostPost by: davidallen » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:02 pm

Now that is a coincidence!

Very similar to the original L05 you say? Do you have any pictures of your
car you could email me? Obviously it is down to personal taste but do you
think it would look good on a +2?

David

The guy who is painting my car said there were actually 3 L05 paint
versions, 67-69, 69-71 and 71-? so not even all L05's are the same!

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I painted my 1600 in Chrysler Viper red (1996-7 I think). As close as damned
is to swearing as for match to the origional Cardinal red - but much more
brilliant. It was done with Zicones product with a clear coat and is now 8
years old.

Keep your stick on the ice!

Bill - 26/0538


----- Original Message -----
From: ALLEN, David
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:58 AM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Original colour


All this talk about fitting different engines has got me thinking about
the
colour of my car.

After spending 11 months stripping the paint (all 5 different colours!)
and
repairing the damage discovered, the car is at the paint shop.

The guy painting it (ex lotus and TVR engineer) is most uncomplimentary
about Lotus colours and the red, L05, in particular. He want's to paint it
chrysler poppy red, al a viper.

Is anyone in the States familiar with this colour and how will it look on
a
+2? Is using a non - standard red as big a cardinal sin as a non standard
engine?

David




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