Lotus Elan

Differential problem ?

PostPost by: Yann Delcan » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:53 pm

First hello to all
I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
noise in the rear.
This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a huge "clong clong
clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a gear selected.
Something similar as a very loose center lock on a wheel or a very weak
transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating does not make any suspect
noise, same as when no gear is selected.
This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
always heard when reversing, this linked with sometimes severe shakes..
I suspect something has gone loose in the dif casing as I have not seen
anything strange, any play in the rotoflexes, propshaft or half shafts
or in the suspension itself. Maybe also a broken bearing ? I have no
unusual oil leak but I have not driven more than 1km since the problem
has started.
I wouldn't swear it's not coming from the gearbox, but I'm 99% sure it
comes from the rear.
Your opinion and personnal advice will be much needed and appreciated.

Yann
7001030021G (Elan S4/SE domestic version Stromberg)
Pau, France
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:33 pm

Yann Delcan wrote:

First hello to all
I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
noise in the rear.
This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a huge "clong clong
clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a gear selected.
Something similar as a very loose center lock on a wheel or a very weak
transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating does not make any suspect
noise, same as when no gear is selected.
This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
always heard when reversing, ......

Yann,
First thing to do is get your car up in the air and check that rubber
"doughnuts"; differentials are pretty tough pieces of equipment and do
not wear, if well lubricated; doughnuts are not in the same league,
maybe one of yours is beginning to tear? This happened to me and I had
this noise when reversing, sometimes. Other things to check are the 4x
rubber mountings for the differential, if these are worn, or loose, then
you can expect some noise too.
I got rid of the doughnuts by fitting Mick Miller drive-shafts and this
has transformed the car.

Cheers,
Pete
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PostPost by: "e s" » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:01 pm

donuts *generally* go without warning and violently:(

I vote for a broken upper diff mount; 2:1 on the passenger side[it is unloaded in reverse]

Number 2 would be very loose torque rods, or beat/missing rubber, again, they are under compression while going forward, tension in reverse.

Diff should be well suspended, shouldn't hardly move with a screwdriver as lever.

Earlier elans sometimes broke the ear clean off the diff housing
Chassis gets weak where the torque rods connect
Park8ng brake stuck



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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:33:29 +0100


Yann Delcan wrote:

> First hello to all
> I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
> was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
> noise in the rear.
> This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a huge "clong clong
> clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a gear selected.
> Something similar as a very loose center lock on a wheel or a very weak
> transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating does not make any suspect
> noise, same as when no gear is selected.
> This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
> always heard when reversing, ......

Yann,
First thing to do is get your car up in the air and check that rubber
"doughnuts"; differentials are pretty tough pieces of equipment and do
not wear, if well lubricated; doughnuts are not in the same league,
maybe one of yours is beginning to tear? This happened to me and I had
this noise when reversing, sometimes. Other things to check are the 4x
rubber mountings for the differential, if these are worn, or loose, then
you can expect some noise too.
I got rid of the doughnuts by fitting Mick Miller drive-shafts and this
has transformed the car.

Cheers,
Pete




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PostPost by: "Roger Sieling" » Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:34 am

The other thing to check, especially when you speak of lots of vibration, is the prop shaft u-joints. With the rear wheels in the air and the gearbox in gear, move one of the wheels forward and aft and FEEL the u-joint for motion between the two yokes while moving the wheel. You usually can feel wear much sooner than see it.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 04/29/05 7:01 PM >>>
donuts *generally* go without warning and violently:(


I vote for a broken upper diff mount; 2:1 on the passenger side[it is unloaded in reverse]

Number 2 would be very loose torque rods, or beat/missing rubber, again, they are under compression while going forward, tension in reverse.

Diff should be well suspended, shouldn't hardly move with a screwdriver as lever.

Earlier elans sometimes broke the ear clean off the diff housing
Chassis gets weak where the torque rods connect
Park8ng brake stuck



----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Taylor" <***@***.***>
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Differential problem ?
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:33:29 +0100


Yann Delcan wrote:

> First hello to all
> I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
> was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
> noise in the rear.
> This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a huge "clong clong
> clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a gear selected.
> Something similar as a very loose center lock on a wheel or a very weak
> transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating does not make any suspect
> noise, same as when no gear is selected.
> This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
> always heard when reversing, ......

Yann,
First thing to do is get your car up in the air and check that rubber
"doughnuts"; differentials are pretty tough pieces of equipment and do
not wear, if well lubricated; doughnuts are not in the same league,
maybe one of yours is beginning to tear? This happened to me and I had
this noise when reversing, sometimes. Other things to check are the 4x
rubber mountings for the differential, if these are worn, or loose, then
you can expect some noise too.
I got rid of the doughnuts by fitting Mick Miller drive-shafts and this
has transformed the car.

Cheers,
Pete




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PostPost by: tvacc » Sat Apr 30, 2005 3:00 am

I had a huge vibration problem in an Elan. I took that propshaft out so many
times.that I could get it out in about 20 min.from the front of the car.



I took it to several driveshaft places and had it balanced.but it was only
until I took it to a company with a new computerized balance machine did I
find the solution. It was out of balance.but it was a son of a gun to find.



Tony V



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The other thing to check, especially when you speak of lots of vibration, is
the prop shaft u-joints. With the rear wheels in the air and the gearbox in
gear, move one of the wheels forward and aft and FEEL the u-joint for motion
between the two yokes while moving the wheel. You usually can feel wear much
sooner than see it.

Roger

>> ***@***.*** 04/29/05 7:01 PM >>>
donuts *generally* go without warning and violently:(


I vote for a broken upper diff mount; 2:1 on the passenger side[it is
unloaded in reverse]

Number 2 would be very loose torque rods, or beat/missing rubber, again,
they are under compression while going forward, tension in reverse.

Diff should be well suspended, shouldn't hardly move with a screwdriver as
lever.

Earlier elans sometimes broke the ear clean off the diff housing
Chassis gets weak where the torque rods connect
Park8ng brake stuck



----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Taylor" <***@***.***>
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Differential problem ?
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:33:29 +0100


Yann Delcan wrote:

> First hello to all
> I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
> was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
> noise in the rear.
> This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a huge "clong clong
> clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a gear selected.
> Something similar as a very loose center lock on a wheel or a very weak
> transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating does not make any suspect
> noise, same as when no gear is selected.
> This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
> always heard when reversing, ......

Yann,
First thing to do is get your car up in the air and check that rubber
"doughnuts"; differentials are pretty tough pieces of equipment and do
not wear, if well lubricated; doughnuts are not in the same league,
maybe one of yours is beginning to tear? This happened to me and I had
this noise when reversing, sometimes. Other things to check are the 4x
rubber mountings for the differential, if these are worn, or loose, then
you can expect some noise too.
I got rid of the doughnuts by fitting Mick Miller drive-shafts and this
has transformed the car.

Cheers,
Pete




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PostPost by: elanz » Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:11 am

Hi
One other thing to check is a sheared donut bolt. This happened to me
last year cars runs OK but the unbolted section of the donut makes a
hell of a noise as it comes into contact with the mounting ear.
More easily fixed than most other possible causees so unliky to be the
culprit.
Re Prop shafts I also had one balanced several times it always came
up fine 'til I took it else where where I was told that the prop shaft was
infact out of tolerance on alignment and whilst it had been balanced as
the revs got up the out of alignment created the vibration. The shaft was
split and rewelded, rebalanced with much less weight and has never
shown a hint of vibration since.
Cheers
Tony Herbert
On 29 Apr 2005 at 21:53, Yann Delcan wrote:

First hello to all
I'm not exactly new here but I've been very busy those last 3 years. I
was until this evening very happy with my Elan until I noticed a heavy
noise in the rear. This came suddenly and to give an idea, I have a
huge "clong clong clong" noise heard only when I'm decelerating with a
gear selected. Something similar as a very loose center lock on a
wheel or a very weak transmission on an ordinary car. Accelerating
does not make any suspect noise, same as when no gear is selected.
This reminds me with an unplesant similar (maybe identical) noise I've
always heard when reversing, this linked with sometimes severe
shakes.. I suspect something has gone loose in the dif casing as I
have not seen anything strange, any play in the rotoflexes, propshaft
or half shafts or in the suspension itself. Maybe also a broken
bearing ? I have no unusual oil leak but I have not driven more than
1km since the problem has started. I wouldn't swear it's not coming
from the gearbox, but I'm 99% sure it comes from the rear. Your
opinion and personnal advice will be much needed and appreciated.

Yann
7001030021G (Elan S4/SE domestic version Stromberg)
Pau, France
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PostPost by: "denicholls2" » Mon May 02, 2005 3:37 pm

I don't have the garage space to own an Elan as well as a Europa, but
the symptoms suggest a failed U-Joint, which initially will make more
noise when not under load than under load. This is because the "slop"
is taken up under load, but when coasting it can flail about freely.
You should also feel a clunk shifting from forward to reverse and
back.

These can be extremely noisy long before you can easily feel slop. Any
play at all means they're gone.

Unless you have modified halfshafts, the only U-joints in the system
are in the propshaft, both of which set directly under the passenger
compartment. In my Spitfire, the hardest one to get at (tranny side)
failed first.

Doug Nicholls, 54/1822 Ma~
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