Gas

[guerrilla garage]

This week, here in Upstate New York, we are paying around $2.29 for Regular
and $2.59 for Premium. I'm told that in some places in California it's over
$3.00 per gallon. With the recent run up in gas prices I'm wondering how
much you guys across the pond in England and Europe are paying?

It makes me really glad I drive an Elan that I can afford to put gas in, and
not something like a 427 Corvette. I sure do wish I some stock in Exxon
Mobil and not just one of their credit cards. Steve

[EMA7K]

84p per ***@***.***es per gallon that?s ?3.81 and at the
current exchange rate...its approx $7.33 per gallon.....although IIRC
the imperial gallon is bigger than the us gallon....1(imp gal)= 1.2 (US
gal)....
So therefore is about ?6.10 per gallon.......

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf Of Steve Foster
Sent: 20 April 2005 12:29
To: Lotus List
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Gas



This week, here in Upstate New York, we are paying around $2.29 for
Regular and $2.59 for Premium. I'm told that in some places in
California it's over
$3.00 per gallon. With the recent run up in gas prices I'm wondering
how
much you guys across the pond in England and Europe are paying?

It makes me really glad I drive an Elan that I can afford to put gas in,
and
not something like a 427 Corvette. I sure do wish I some stock in
Exxon
Mobil and not just one of their credit cards. Steve

[EMA7K]

Sorry that should have read $6.10...not ????'s

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf Of Gareth Flanagan
Sent: 20 April 2005 12:39
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Gas



84p per ***@***.***es per gallon that?s ?3.81 and at the
current exchange rate...its approx $7.33 per gallon.....although IIRC
the imperial gallon is bigger than the us gallon....1(imp gal)= 1.2 (US
gal).... So therefore is about ?6.10 per gallon.......

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf Of Steve Foster
Sent: 20 April 2005 12:29
To: Lotus List
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Gas



This week, here in Upstate New York, we are paying around $2.29 for
Regular and $2.59 for Premium. I'm told that in some places in
California it's over
$3.00 per gallon. With the recent run up in gas prices I'm wondering
how
much you guys across the pond in England and Europe are paying?

It makes me really glad I drive an Elan that I can afford to put gas in,
and
not something like a 427 Corvette. I sure do wish I some stock in
Exxon
Mobil and not just one of their credit cards. Steve

[Petter Hval]

Here in Norway we are paying $6.64 for Premium
Petter


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Foster" <***@***.***>
To: "Lotus List" <***@***.***>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:28 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Gas



This week, here in Upstate New York, we are paying around $2.29 for Regular
and $2.59 for Premium. I'm told that in some places in California it's over
$3.00 per gallon. With the recent run up in gas prices I'm wondering how
much you guys across the pond in England and Europe are paying?

It makes me really glad I drive an Elan that I can afford to put gas in, and
not something like a 427 Corvette. I sure do wish I some stock in Exxon
Mobil and not just one of their credit cards. Steve

[elansprint71]

I saw 92 pence per litre in Central London for unleaded (no wonder there
are so many cyclists there!) last week.
My conversion calculator says there are 3.785 litres in a US Gallon
therefore that's 3.48GBP per US Gallon which makes $6.65 per US Gallon!!!

So that's 4.18 GBP per Imperial gallon- a really good folding cycle can
be had for less than 400 GBP, there is an 8 GBP per day congestion
charge in central London, get pedalling boys......!

Cheers,
Pete.


Gareth Flanagan wrote:

[Elan45]

In central Ohio, it's been dropping steadily for the last 2 weeks after I was forced to pay $2.349/ USG in early April. I filled up the daily beater last nite for $1.919. Since I work over 40 miles from home, mostly rural miles, I have to drive. But some gummit type keeps telling us higher interest rates are controlling inflation.

Roger


I saw 92 pence per litre in Central London for unleaded (no wonder there
are so many cyclists there!) last week.
My conversion calculator says there are 3.785 litres in a US Gallon
therefore that's 3.48GBP per US Gallon which makes $6.65 per US Gallon!!!

So that's 4.18 GBP per Imperial gallon- a really good folding cycle can
be had for less than 400 GBP, there is an 8 GBP per day congestion
charge in central London, get pedalling boys......!

Cheers,
Pete.


Gareth Flanagan wrote:




























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[Frank Howard]

In a message dated 4/20/05 06:47:34 AM, ***@***.***
writes:

<< Sorry that should have read $6.10 >>

What I am about to say is not politically correct in the US, but here goes
anyway. Here in the upper midwest, fuel runs about a third of that, and most
drivers are whining about it. But one must understand that most of that $6.10
is tax. If the US federal government collected an additional $4 per gallon in
taxes and was able to offset the surplus by reducing our income, property, and
sales tax, yes, the tax burden would be shifted to the drivers, but there
would be benefits to all Lotus drivers. Like we would be able to see over the
car in front of us, and we'd have a much better chance of survival in the event
of a crash with another vehicle. Why do you think that so much US freight is
transported by semi, rather than by rail? Because at $2.00 per gallon for
diesel fuel, people are willing to pay a little extra for the inefficiencies of
trucking, because these inefficiencies can be offset by the convenience that
the trucking industry offers, delivering goods door to door and delivering goods
faster. But if fuel went to $6, the railroads would be back in the freight
business, transporting goods in a more efficient manner, freeing up the
freeways, and conserving what's left of the world fossil fuel supply.

(There is some Lotus content in there.) No, I don't work for the railroad,
but my father did.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota

[EMA7K]

You don't need to tell me....my brother in law is one of the senior
acountants with shell uk and the stories of the tax etc that are placed
on fuel in the UK are very scary indeed.....its almost a priveledge to
have a car on the road in the UK.......


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf Of ***@***.***
Sent: 20 April 2005 15:50
To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Gas




In a message dated 4/20/05 06:47:34 AM,
***@***.***
writes:

<< Sorry that should have read $6.10 >>

What I am about to say is not politically correct in the US, but here
goes
anyway. Here in the upper midwest, fuel runs about a third of that, and
most
drivers are whining about it. But one must understand that most of that
$6.10
is tax. If the US federal government collected an additional $4 per
gallon in
taxes and was able to offset the surplus by reducing our income,
property, and
sales tax, yes, the tax burden would be shifted to the drivers, but
there
would be benefits to all Lotus drivers. Like we would be able to see
over the
car in front of us, and we'd have a much better chance of survival in
the event
of a crash with another vehicle. Why do you think that so much US
freight is
transported by semi, rather than by rail? Because at $2.00 per gallon
for
diesel fuel, people are willing to pay a little extra for the
inefficiencies of
trucking, because these inefficiencies can be offset by the convenience
that
the trucking industry offers, delivering goods door to door and
delivering goods
faster. But if fuel went to $6, the railroads would be back in the
freight
business, transporting goods in a more efficient manner, freeing up the
freeways, and conserving what's left of the world fossil fuel supply.

(There is some Lotus content in there.) No, I don't work for the
railroad,
but my father did.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota









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[marcfuller]

Good points Frank! Thanks. I am very tired of the 2 and 3 trailer land
locomotives.

Another thing that is interesting (but also not politically correct for
current administration supporters) is how much US gas prices have risen
compared to UK prices over the last few years.

In July 1999 the average end user price (in US$ per liter including tax)
was $1.23 in the UK and $.31 in the US.


and $.59 in the US.

This is a 90% cost increase for us in the US compared to a relatively
modest 24% increase for the Brits.




At 08:49 AM 4/20/2005, you wrote:

[ngiovas]

Obviously I like my Elan, but to respond to your Corvette comment - the new
C6 is rated at 28 MPG (with 6 speed transmission) and I have seen them get
30 MPG on the freeway (although 26 MPG is more typical). That's probably
better than the ?lan.

-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.*** Behalf
Of Steve Foster
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:29 AM
To: Lotus List
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Gas


This week, here in Upstate New York, we are paying around $2.29 for Regular
and $2.59 for Premium. I'm told that in some places in California it's over
$3.00 per gallon. With the recent run up in gas prices I'm wondering how
much you guys across the pond in England and Europe are paying?

It makes me really glad I drive an Elan that I can afford to put gas in, and
not something like a 427 Corvette. I sure do wish I some stock in Exxon
Mobil and not just one of their credit cards. Steve

[Guest]

In Oz we are paying approx $US5.5 per US gallon for unleaded.

Heh Marc I hope you weren't looking for sympathy with your comparison between rates of increase in price.

Rod

Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals
http://www.minerals.csiro.au

Ph. 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789

Personal Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rodjohnst ... mepage.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.***
Behalf Of Marc Fuller

Another thing that is interesting (but also not politically correct for
current administration supporters) is how much US gas prices have risen
compared to UK prices over the last few years.

In July 1999 the average end user price (in US$ per liter including tax)
was $1.23 in the UK and $.31 in the US.


and $.59 in the US.

This is a 90% cost increase for us in the US compared to a relatively
modest 24% increase for the Brits.

[Guest]

Sorry guys got the exchange rate upside down.

We are actually paying approx $US3.5 a US gallon. Still a lot dearer that in the US, but much cheaper than Europe.

Sorry Marc still no sympathy.

Rod

Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals
http://www.minerals.csiro.au

Ph. 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789

Personal Home Page
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rodjohnst ... mepage.htm


In Oz we are paying approx $US5.5 per US gallon for unleaded.

Heh Marc I hope you weren't looking for sympathy with your comparison between rates of increase in price.

Rod

[Frank Howard]

In a message dated 4/20/05 04:55:52 PM, ***@***.***es:

<< I have seen them get

30 MPG on the freeway (although 26 MPG is more typical). That's probably

better than the ?lan. >>

If your Elan can't get 30 MPG on the highway, it's time to change the air
cleaner, pull the carbs apart, adjust the plug gap, and adjust the timing, or
shift into 4th.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota

[ngiovas]

Honestly, I was basing my statement on the published mileage for the ?lan
from the mid 60's which states 22-26mpg (that's imperial gallons). My point
was that the Corvette probably isn't a good example of a gas guzzling car
(at least not the new Vette).

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From: ***@***.***lto:***@***.*** Behalf
Of ***@***.***
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:07 PM
To: ***@***.***; ***@***.***
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In a message dated 4/20/05 04:55:52 PM, ***@***.***es:

<< I have seen them get

30 MPG on the freeway (although 26 MPG is more typical). That's probably

better than the ?lan. >>

If your Elan can't get 30 MPG on the highway, it's time to change the air
cleaner, pull the carbs apart, adjust the plug gap, and adjust the timing,
or
shift into 4th.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota

[Rob_LaMoreaux]

He did say 427 Corvette, and since the new Z06 (7.0L/427c.i.) isn't readily
available yet that would have to be something from the Elan Era which would
get almost as bad of mileage as an SUV.

The C6 (6.0L/370c.i.) gets about what my C5 (5.7L/350c.i) gets which
averages around 21 MPG for mixed city and highway and we got 27.8 MPG during
our trip to New Hampshire last summer. If we had averaged less than 70 on
the highway I am sure that would be higher. It is pretty cool cruising down
the highway, with my fianc?e and a weeks worth of luggage for two who don't
pack that light, at 80MPH turning 1750RPM and getting close to 30MPG in a
car that can still accelerate pretty good in 6th and get you to highly
illegal speeds in a second or two by dropping it to 3rd. It also gets better
mileage than my 1997 Volvo 960 wagon and the 1988 Mustang the Volvo
replaced.

On the Elan side I usually get between 25 and 30 in mixed driving and for
sustained 80 MPG cruising. On the trip back to Ann Arbor from the Lotus
Owners Gathering in Wisconsin a couple of years ago I took back roads half
the way and got 42MPG. With modern fuel injection and a 5 speed I am sure
the Elan would get more than 30 city and close to 50 highway, but then it
would be a different car.

Rob LaMoreaux
Ann Arbor, MI USA
(734)-971-5583
Cell (734)-604-9280
Email: ***@***.***
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