timing problem

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--- In ***@***.***, "Arno Church" <stuckect@i...> wrote:


Perhaps a little unfair of me to answer as my wife has a Honda Civic
and I only checked it the other day.
Brian

[Elan45]

I also remember the 2-stroke cornpopper Saabs could be made to run either direction. One direction it had 4 forward speeds, the other, 4 reverse speeds.

Someone mentioned Fiat and I do remember that Fiat 600 and Fiat 850 engines/ gearboxes were not compatible, because of a reversing issue. IE: installing an 850 motor into a 600 would yield 4 speeds reverse, but not sure how this came to be.

Roger


Brian, you are correct sir! Just recently, Honda decided to join the rest of
the world and their new engine designs now rotate clockwise. I wonder if there is a connection with this engine rotation direction, and their decision to
install their front wheel drive drive trains opposite of the way most (withthe possible exception of Fiat) manufacturers do. As opposed to other
manufacturers, most front wheel drive Hondas have the motor on the left with the
transaxle on the right.

No Lotus content you say? OK, here it is. Had Colin Chapman been born in Japan, rather than England, your Elan would have been so inexpensive (relative
to other sports cars) and reliable that they would have sold hundreds of
thousands of them. Consequently, it wouldn't be nearly as collectable today. Maybe
he would have called it a Miata MX-5.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota






















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[roadterror]

Have been working on a couple of Fiat 500/ 600s and have been baffled because some of the engines rotate clockwise while a few rotate anti-clockwise. Was wondering if it was just inconsistancy at the factory or POs mistakes...

[grat]

On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 01:16:59PM -0500, Tim Engel wrote:


which brings up the question: What method is used to connect a
manometer to a weber carb? Do you use a venturi plate, or clip inside
the stack, or some other method?

fj..
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religion, economic status, or ethnic background, is that, deep down
inside, we all believe that we are above-average drivers.
-- Dave Barry

[Arno Church]

With a 4 stroke it is not too difficult , you just need to have a mirror
image cam made up and some timing changes - easy with electronics

Was done in the UK where the Honda engine was mated to a Ford gearbox and
fitted in a Seven replica



A 2 stroker should be a lot easier, basically just reverse the starter.
Anybody who had a Baby Bee model aircraft engine should know this as they
sometimes started the wrong way round - I always thought it was from a
"backfire"

Arno



* I also remember the 2-stroke cornpopper Saabs could be made to run
either direction. One direction it had 4 forward speeds, the other, 4
reverse speeds.

Someone mentioned Fiat and I do remember that Fiat 600 and Fiat 850 engines/
gearboxes were not compatible, because of a reversing issue. IE: installing
an 850 motor into a 600 would yield 4 speeds reverse, but not sure how this
came to be.

Roger.


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[M100]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:37:30 +0200, "Arno Church"
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Couldn't you just turn the diff/rear axle upside down instead?

Martin
72/45

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[Esprit2]

From: "Martin Evans" <***@***.***>

Martin,

Theoretically that would work. But sometimes housings aren't symmetric or
there may be stray bumps and lumps on the other side that would interfere.

Later,
Tim

[Petter Hval]

And the SAAB 99 with a triumph 1.85 engine with the flywheel in the
front.
Petter


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Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] timing problem




In a message dated 4/19/05 06:22:20 AM, ***@***.***es:

<< the camshaft and engine turns clockwise but the distributor cam turns
anti-clockwise >>

OK, not to belabor the point, but I believe that when you are standing in
front of the car, the crankshaft and all three cams turn clockwise. And
when you
stand over the engine bay and look down at the distributor, the rotor turns
counter clockwise. So, I agree with Brian when he says that to advance the
timing, you should turn the distributor body clockwise. At least that's the
way
the twin cam works in the northern hemisphere!

An interesting trivia question. Up until just a few years ago, all
production automobile engines rotated in the same direction with the
exception of those
produced by what manufacturer? Anybody want to take a guess?

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota

[lotuselan2]

Martin

I think the diff needs to just be turned inside out.

Ken



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To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] timing problem



On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:37:30 +0200, "Arno Church"
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Couldn't you just turn the diff/rear axle upside down instead?

Martin
72/45

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[lotuselan2]

Brain

Fiat probably hired a Lotus mechanic for a few months and he could not leave
anything constant.

Ken



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To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: Re: [LotusElan.net] timing problem





Have been working on a couple of Fiat 500/ 600s and have been baffled
because some of the engines rotate clockwise while a few rotate
anti-clockwise. Was wondering if it was just inconsistancy at the factory or
POs mistakes...

[Arno Church]

Or easier still , just turn the crown wheel and pinion around , as they didwith Formula Vee racers
But I think you may have a problem with a helical gearbox turning the otherway around, what with end thrust etc
Arno

Couldn't you just turn the diff/rear axle upside down instead?

Martin
72/45

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[M100]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:20:49 +0200, "Arno Church"
<***@***.***> wrote:


Guaranteed to miss the obvious after a long day!

On the subject of gearboxes has anyone any experience of, or know a
vehicle cross reference for, the ZF 5 speed boxes used by Evante on
their 80's Elan clones? The Bedford CF van springs to mind but being
rarer than a Lotus Mark 5 I was thinking of something beyond that -
or was that the source of the box for the later Eclat/Elite.?

Martin

72/45
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[frearther]

<Couldn't you just turn the diff/rear axle upside down instead?>

That's what they did with Formula Vees to make mid-engine cars. Which used
to run on race tracks. Which also had Loti running on them but at different
times.

Whew! Got Lotus content in there.

Art
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Arther H. Frederick
Initial Reaction - embroidered and decorated apparel
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[frearther]

<Or easier still , just turn the crown wheel and pinion around , as they
did with Formula Vee racers>

I stand corrected, Arno. I need to pay more attention to my lessons, eh?

Art
26/4934


Arther H. Frederick
Initial Reaction - embroidered and decorated apparel
3869 Route 66, Chatham Centre
Valatie, NY 12184
518-392-4287

[Elan45]

Don't know what they did/do w/ FV, but the Hewland Mk series of boxes has the VW case upside down from normal VW application.

Roger


<Or easier still , just turn the crown wheel and pinion around , as they
did with Formula Vee racers>

I stand corrected, Arno. I need to pay more attention to my lessons, eh?

Art
26/4934


Arther H. Frederick
Initial Reaction - embroidered and decorated apparel
3869 Route 66, Chatham Centre
Valatie, NY 12184
518-392-4287
























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