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Sprint Colors.

PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:39 am

I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is on the bottom of the
Sprint Elans.



I want to paint mine back to Sprint colors before I put it up for sale.



By the way.if anyone is interested before I advertise it more globally..let
me know off list.



It is a 72 Elan Sprint. Full restoration in early 90's including Lotus
Galvanized frame and Bean Halfshafts, Fuel cell in original location with
original filler. Spyder roll bar and side intrusion bars/

Also has European balance tubes and headers. Am in the process of replacing
the water pump. While I had the head off.I also had a valve job done.



This is a true Sprint with the original engine. With the exception of last
4 years.I have owned the car since 1986. Car is in Buffalo NY.but as I just
drove it back from Seattle.it can be driven anywhere.

Car is in excellent shape.





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PostPost by: lotus-elan » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:56 am

Hi Tony !
How much do plan on asking for this fine Elan ?
In Friendship,
John

Tony Vaccaro <***@***.***> wrote:
I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is on the bottom of the
Sprint Elans.



I want to paint mine back to Sprint colors before I put it up for sale.



By the way.if anyone is interested before I advertise it more globally..let
me know off list.



It is a 72 Elan Sprint. Full restoration in early 90's including Lotus
Galvanized frame and Bean Halfshafts, Fuel cell in original location with
original filler. Spyder roll bar and side intrusion bars/

Also has European balance tubes and headers. Am in the process of replacing
the water pump. While I had the head off.I also had a valve job done.



This is a true Sprint with the original engine. With the exception of last
4 years.I have owned the car since 1986. Car is in Buffalo NY.but as I just
drove it back from Seattle.it can be driven anywhere.

Car is in excellent shape.





Tony Vaccaro ***@***.***



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PostPost by: "nebogipfel2004" » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:42 am

Tony,

I'm pretty sure it should be UK Ford Cirrus White.

John
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PostPost by: kevinsmith.kiwi » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:09 am

I think the following sites amy have the info Tony is after. Well worth a look anyway.

http://www.elanfactory.com.au/pdf/techn ... 0Codes.pdf


http://www.elanfactory.com.au/technical_information.htm



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I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is on the bottom of the
Sprint Elans.
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PostPost by: "Tim Engel" » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:14 pm

From: "Tony Vaccaro" <***@***.***>
To: <***@***.***>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Sprint Colors.
I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is
on the bottom of the Sprint Elans.

I want to paint mine back to Sprint colors before
I put it up for sale.


Tony,

Lotus had a couple of whites and I don't know which shade Lotus used on the
lower half of Elan Sprints. But the Lotus paint code should be on the
body's main number plate. Different alpha prefixes in the code denote
different paint chemistries... for instance, "L" prefix denotes
nitro-cellulose paint. L-code cellulose paints would be period-correct,
but they have been regulated out of existence in most parts of the world.
In the USA for sure.

Manufacturer abbreviations used below
PJ = Pinchin & Johnson
ICI = ICI Paints
PPG = Pittsburgh Paint & Glass Automotive Paints
DP = DuPont


A21 Monaco White
PJ P4207517
Lotus A089B6149V (089 = Excel)
B01 Monaco White
DP AB9149
Lotus A082B6294F (082 = Giugaro Turbo Esprit)
L25 Monaco White ("L" = Nitro Cellulose paint)
ICI P0307517
Lotus B050B6232V (050 = Elan Plus 2)


B71 Old English White
DP WT03

L04 Cirrus White October 1962 - October 1973
ICI P0309049
PJ 6170X0540
PPG LOT0053
Lotus A036B6318V (036 = Elan Coupe')

S01 White
PJ P407701
-Repair cellulose P030101
Lotus A076B6024V (076 = Eclat S1)

Gold Lacquer - Elan Sprint Bumpers
PJ 6170A3130
Lotus A036B6345V (036 = Elan Coupe')

Silver Lacquer - Elan Bumpers
PJ 6190A8020
Lotus A036B6313V (036 = Elan Coupe')

Regards,
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PostPost by: Marc Fuller » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:25 pm

IIRC wasn't there a statement by Wilkins that on LOTUS purpose built
Sprints (as opposed to upgraded S4) the white showing below the gold stripe
was gel coat?


At 11:08 AM 2/21/2005, you wrote:

From: "Tony Vaccaro" <***@***.***>
To: <***@***.***>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:37 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Sprint Colors.
>
> I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is
> on the bottom of the Sprint Elans.
>
> I want to paint mine back to Sprint colors before
> I put it up for sale.


Tony,

Lotus had a couple of whites and I don't know which shade Lotus used on the
lower half of Elan Sprints. But the Lotus paint code should be on the
body's main number plate. Different alpha prefixes in the code denote
different paint chemistries... for instance, "L" prefix denotes
nitro-cellulose paint. L-code cellulose paints would be period-correct,
but they have been regulated out of existence in most parts of the world.
In the USA for sure.

Manufacturer abbreviations used below
PJ = Pinchin & Johnson
ICI = ICI Paints
PPG = Pittsburgh Paint & Glass Automotive Paints
DP = DuPont


A21 Monaco White
PJ P4207517
Lotus A089B6149V (089 = Excel)
B01 Monaco White
DP AB9149
Lotus A082B6294F (082 = Giugaro Turbo Esprit)
L25 Monaco White ("L" = Nitro Cellulose paint)
ICI P0307517
Lotus B050B6232V (050 = Elan Plus 2)


B71 Old English White
DP WT03

L04 Cirrus White October 1962 - October 1973
ICI P0309049
PJ 6170X0540
PPG LOT0053
Lotus A036B6318V (036 = Elan Coupe')

S01 White
PJ P407701
-Repair cellulose P030101
Lotus A076B6024V (076 = Eclat S1)

Gold Lacquer - Elan Sprint Bumpers
PJ 6170A3130
Lotus A036B6345V (036 = Elan Coupe')

Silver Lacquer - Elan Bumpers
PJ 6190A8020
Lotus A036B6313V (036 = Elan Coupe')

Regards,
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PostPost by: "nebogipfel2004" » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:29 pm

"IIRC wasn't there a statement by Wilkins that on LOTUS purpose built
Sprints (as opposed to upgraded S4) the white showing below the gold
stripe
was gel coat?"

Did they ever use pigmented gel on Elans?

I don't think so, I'm pretty sure they were Cirrus (which would be L04
according to the info in the reply above) My own '72 Sprint back in
1976 was original and it was a paint finish.

FWIW when I tried to get Cirrus in 2K from my supplier it was not
available. You can still get it mixed in cellulose in the UK.

It would have to be someone really observant and picky to realise what
white you use on the bottom of your Elan. I went for Ford Diamond
white (readily available in 2-pack) on my car

John
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PostPost by: archigator » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:13 pm

The bottom half color on an Elan Sprint is definitely Cirrus White.
(I wrote Lotus a few years back, and they have the bottom as Cirrus
White and the top as Carnival Red.)

Now I have a question... Does the defining line between the top and
bottom colors on an Elan Sprint continue into the door jamb and
around the door itself? (I just dropped my Sprint off at the shop
today to get the same paint job. My painter asked the question.) Can
anyone post a photo of this condition? Thanks!

Gary
'71 Elan Sprint Coupe
Miami, Fl

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bottom of the > Sprint Elans."
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PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:18 pm

Does your painter have a number for the white.my guys up here are having a
hard time finding it...



The numbers that they have only go back to 1982..is there a post 82
equivlent.



Or can you give me a new number...as they cannot find the numbers Tim gave
me..



Tony V



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From: Gary [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:13 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: Sprint Colors.




The bottom half color on an Elan Sprint is definitely Cirrus White.
(I wrote Lotus a few years back, and they have the bottom as Cirrus
White and the top as Carnival Red.)

Now I have a question... Does the defining line between the top and
bottom colors on an Elan Sprint continue into the door jamb and
around the door itself? (I just dropped my Sprint off at the shop
today to get the same paint job. My painter asked the question.) Can
anyone post a photo of this condition? Thanks!

Gary
'71 Elan Sprint Coupe
Miami, Fl

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" I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is on the
bottom of the > Sprint Elans."









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PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:23 pm

Only thing they can find is Ermine White and Diamond White for the Cortina



Does anybody know these colors..?



Tony V



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From: Tony Vaccaro [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:16 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Re: Sprint Colors.



Does your painter have a number for the white.my guys up here are having a
hard time finding it...



The numbers that they have only go back to 1982..is there a post 82
equivlent.



Or can you give me a new number...as they cannot find the numbers Tim gave
me..



Tony V



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From: Gary [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:13 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: Sprint Colors.




The bottom half color on an Elan Sprint is definitely Cirrus White.
(I wrote Lotus a few years back, and they have the bottom as Cirrus
White and the top as Carnival Red.)

Now I have a question... Does the defining line between the top and
bottom colors on an Elan Sprint continue into the door jamb and
around the door itself? (I just dropped my Sprint off at the shop
today to get the same paint job. My painter asked the question.) Can
anyone post a photo of this condition? Thanks!

Gary
'71 Elan Sprint Coupe
Miami, Fl

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bottom of the > Sprint Elans."









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PostPost by: "Jeff at tiscali&quo » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:34 pm

I remember reading that the two colour paint job was to hide the poor finish between the top and bottom moulding. So I reckon that your paint shop guyshould try and follow that contour.
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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: Sprint Colors.



The bottom half color on an Elan Sprint is definitely Cirrus White.
(I wrote Lotus a few years back, and they have the bottom as Cirrus
White and the top as Carnival Red.)

Now I have a question... Does the defining line between the top and
bottom colors on an Elan Sprint continue into the door jamb and
around the door itself? (I just dropped my Sprint off at the shop
today to get the same paint job. My painter asked the question.) Can
anyone post a photo of this condition? Thanks!

Gary
'71 Elan Sprint Coupe
Miami, Fl

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" I am looking for the paint code for the WHITE that is on the
bottom of the > Sprint Elans."









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PostPost by: M100 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:56 pm

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:29:12 -0000, "nebogipfel2004"
<***@***.***> wrote:

FWIW when I tried to get Cirrus in 2K from my supplier it was not
available. You can still get it mixed in cellulose in the UK.

It would have to be someone really observant and picky to realise what
white you use on the bottom of your Elan. I went for Ford Diamond
white (readily available in 2-pack) on my car

ICI (now PPG) for one do a 2K Cirrus White in the UK

The code you need is P420-9049 - LOTUS L04 - CIRRUS WHITE

Which for a 1 litre mix is formulated from:

Code Description Grams Cumulative
P425-900 H/S SUPER WHITE 764.7
P420-918RT MEDIUM YELLOW 778.4
P420-933 BLUE BLACK 789.6
P420-905 YELLOW OXIDE 808.3
P190-376 ADJUSTER 1183.4

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PostPost by: "nebogipfel2004" » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:03 pm

"I remember reading that the two colour paint job was to hide the poor
finish between the top and bottom moulding."


There always has been an urban myth that the stick on stripe on the
Sprints was to hide the dodgy join between the two colours.

There is no join in the mouldings at that point.

Going back to the question of colour. The problem is that the old
colour mixing formulae have not been updated for modern 2-pack paint
systems. Here in the UK my supplier can mix the old colours in
cellulose but not in 2K. Sometimes, if the paint supplier can be
bothered the manufacturers do have the formula on file but do not
routinely supply it to the outlets.

Why not just go for a similar modern white, who will ever know? The
other option I have used in the past to get a durable 2-pack finish
when the colour is only available as cellulose is to use cellulose and
then laquer it with 2-pack clear.

Just tell him to use 2-pack Diamond White and relax :)
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PostPost by: "nebogipfel2004" » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:08 pm

"ICI (now PPG) for one do a 2K Cirrus White in the UK"


I stand corrected! Perhaps my supplier lied or couldn't be bothered
but they carry Max Meyer (Yuk) and Spies Hecker (good paint).

I still say use a similar white and stop worrying :))

John
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PostPost by: tvacc » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:41 pm

I appreciate all the help.



My PPG store still cannot come up with the color.as described below.with the
numbers below.



Closest they have is the Diamond white from the Cortina.



If anybody else has any ideas.remember..I am in the USA



Tony V



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Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:56 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Sprint Colors.



On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:29:12 -0000, "nebogipfel2004"
<***@***.***> wrote:

FWIW when I tried to get Cirrus in 2K from my supplier it was not
available. You can still get it mixed in cellulose in the UK.

It would have to be someone really observant and picky to realise what
white you use on the bottom of your Elan. I went for Ford Diamond
white (readily available in 2-pack) on my car

ICI (now PPG) for one do a 2K Cirrus White in the UK

The code you need is P420-9049 - LOTUS L04 - CIRRUS WHITE

Which for a 1 litre mix is formulated from:

Code Description Grams Cumulative
P425-900 H/S SUPER WHITE 764.7
P420-918RT MEDIUM YELLOW 778.4
P420-933 BLUE BLACK 789.6
P420-905 YELLOW OXIDE 808.3
P190-376 ADJUSTER 1183.4

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