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+2 history

PostPost by: davidallen » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:32 pm

Yes, looking at the workshop manual last night, the later design of locks
were introduced on the non "s" after serial numbers 856 (fed) and 928 (row)

David

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None of this is true. early cars with differeent locks and transverse
silencer are just early cars. The straight silencer does NOT mean it is an
'S'

The S consists of the following:

Clock, voltmeter, ambient temp gauge
padded console and different rear seats
padded under dash trim
extra lights or reflectors in doors.
different headliner material

I may have missed something, but that is about it.

An early +2[67 68] is just that.
The last non S +2 was supposed to be 50/2400, 1 1/2 years after the silencer
change
There were claimed to be some gawdawful number of 2s built in 12/69 [I have
seen tags hundreds of numbers apart] My guess is that it had to do with
federal regs effective 1/1970 and that a lot of tags were made in 12/69


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:36:56 -0000


Ooooooo...
Ooooo.....
Another thing..!!!! Door handles.....is the lock separate or combined?
Combined is the +2 the separate version the +2s

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David
Just had a thought.......which exhaust do you have???
If it's the car with the transverse silencer then it's a +2 if it's a
'straight through' like the sprint with the exhaust pipe exiting the car
centrally then I believe it to be a +2s....... Or at least I'd heard
that only the early +2 had the transverse silencer Cheers G

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I wonder if someone can answer a question about my +2 which has been
puzzling me since I brought the car.

The car is an early +2. This is confirmed by the 2 fuse wiring, toggle
switches, non collapsible steering column etc. However the log book
describes it as a +2s. I have always taken this an error by the original
agent/DVLC but under several layers of paint at the rear of the car I
found the location holes on either side for a badge, right where the "S"
badges are located.

Now, I have mentioned before the car was originally destined for the US,
but for some reason was sold in the UK. When I brought it , the original
reflectors on each corner were still fitted, and it did once have
Strombergs and high backed seats

So, is the car a hybrid? Were the original +2's sold in the States
marketed as "S" but based on the earlier model or were badges added by
one of the many previous owner?

Perhaps I should call time team!

David






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PostPost by: davidallen » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:43 pm

Thanks for all the info on Early +2's!

I am 99% certain my car is an ex fed non S +2 which was converted back to UK
non S spec. For what ever reason the dual circuit brakes and collapable
steering column were binned but left the fail safe lights, corner reflectors
and high back seats!

Part of the confusion has been the original +2 changed during it's
manufacture period, and the fed +2, which was manufactured at the same time,
used a lot of the parts from the later S. Then there is my car, which is a
hydrid of the two!

Just why the car is described as an "S" in the log book, or what the badges
were on the rear wing I guess will never be known.

David

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I have done some digging around in my stock of Lotus information and
come up with the following, in the hope that it may be helpful.

1967
June - Type 50 +2 announced
August -Production started at then new Hethel factory
September - Autocar in UK road test and specification of new +2

1968
January - US safety laws introduced, all Elans sent to States were
Special Equipment models. Road & Track technical analysis of +2 in UK
March - Stromberg emission engines fitted to US models with bonnet
bulge
July - Last of the pre-emission engined Elans sold in US
November - First European S4 and +2 Elans (chassis no. 50/1280)
receive Strombergs when the factory had used most of their stocks of
Webers

1969
January - +2 qualified to go on sale in US
March - +2S (chassis no. 50/1554) announced in UK, included more
instruments, more sound proofing and foglights as standard. Only
available fully assembled
July - Sports Car Graphic test +2 in US, (having tested one in UK in
November 1967) shows lights on rear flanks, closer to bumper than
badge on UK models
July - +2S production started
August - Road Test of +2 in US shows twin servos and Stromberg
emission equipment clearly
December - Standard +2 discontinued (chassis no. 50/2407). Approx
1600 built since launch. Final +2S old number chassis 50/2526.

1970
April - Autosport in UK road test +2S, shows badges on both rear
flanks, extra instruments and rocker switches
October - Alternator fitted, cooling and exhaust silencer systems
improved, Phillips radio fitted as standard

1971
February - Introduction of +2S 130 in UK. For a while, the US cars
remained fitted with the 115 bhp engine, until the Strombergs were
modified to pass more air. Silver roof on all +2S 130's. Autocar
in
UK test +2S 130

1974
December - Discontinued. Approx 3000 built since March 1969

Back to work now!

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PostPost by: Gordon Sauer » Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:37 am

Don't you think the chassis numbers ran within the codes used for country
designation--mine is a '72 +2S/130 but number 0306Nwhich numerically is prior to
yours--hence, my thought that within "N" there was a separate numbering
system. The N fits the manual regarding "export, Elan+2S Type Federal" which mine
is. By the way, the manual shows the single door handles up to 0928 and the
handle/lock-separate after 0928--mine has separate handle/lock. Gordon Sauer
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PostPost by: "davidguycroft" » Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:46 am


Just why the car is described as an "S" in the log book, or what
the badges

were on the rear wing I guess will never be known.



I don't think there's a mystery re: the badges - my early (late
70) 'S' has got some commemorative 'World Champion' badges on the
back wing.

D
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PostPost by: "e s" » Fri Feb 18, 2005 3:21 pm

the numbering system changed on 1/1/1970, where the vin ws no longer the chassis number. So the numbering system only works up to a point. All the numbers being referred to are those in the format 50/xxxx, yours is really something like 50/2720 or something
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Don't you think the chassis numbers ran within the codes used for country
designation--mine is a '72 +2S/130 but number 0306Nwhich
numerically is prior to
yours--hence, my thought that within "N" there was a separate numbering
system. The N fits the manual regarding "export, Elan+2S Type
Federal" which mine
is. By the way, the manual shows the single door handles up to 0928 and the
handle/lock-separate after 0928--mine has separate handle/lock. Gordon Sauer




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