Colins quotes
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In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a comment by
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before, has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before, has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
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Elanman99 - Fourth Gear
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I've not heard that quoted before.
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
CopyrightC LotusElan.net and the author:
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
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According to the EU directive, the tensile yield strength of a 6mm (1/4" inold money) bolt must be:
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Phillips
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a commentby
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before, has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Phillips
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a commentby
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before, has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
Cheers,
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How about E=MC2
Don't forget that if it was a Lotus bus it would be very light !!!!!!
Ian 'baffled' F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "elansprint71" <***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
According to the EU directive, the tensile yield strength of a 6mm (1/4" in
old money) bolt must be:
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
Don't forget that if it was a Lotus bus it would be very light !!!!!!
Ian 'baffled' F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "elansprint71" <***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
According to the EU directive, the tensile yield strength of a 6mm (1/4" in
old money) bolt must be:
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
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Good thinking Ian, but too technical for me. I am still thinking about where
the UK bus industry would be today if Lotus had made buses.
BTW, where is everybody? us CLOGs seem to have taken over this group
tonight, well in a small way.
Ian P
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Formstone [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:20 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
How about E=MC2
Don't forget that if it was a Lotus bus it would be very light !!!!!!
Ian 'baffled' F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "elansprint71" <***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
According to the EU directive, the tensile yield strength of a 6mm (1/4" in
old money) bolt must be:
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
the UK bus industry would be today if Lotus had made buses.
BTW, where is everybody? us CLOGs seem to have taken over this group
tonight, well in a small way.
Ian P
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Formstone [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:20 PM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
How about E=MC2
Don't forget that if it was a Lotus bus it would be very light !!!!!!
Ian 'baffled' F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "elansprint71" <***@***.***>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
According to the EU directive, the tensile yield strength of a 6mm (1/4" in
old money) bolt must be:
Yield strength Rp0, 2 min 640 MPa.
So does that answer your question?
Pete.
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Paul,
1/4" dia bolt approximate cross section area 1/20 square inch, estimated tensile strength of cheap 1960 British steel = 30 tons/square inch, max bus weight = 30 x 1/20 = 1.5 tons
Sean Murray
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Adamson
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
I've not heard that quoted before.
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
1/4" dia bolt approximate cross section area 1/20 square inch, estimated tensile strength of cheap 1960 British steel = 30 tons/square inch, max bus weight = 30 x 1/20 = 1.5 tons
Sean Murray
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Adamson
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
I've not heard that quoted before.
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
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Maybe the rest of the LotusElan.net are out driving along winding
mountain roads.
Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
Bob Metz is parked at a drive through trying to explain why his car has
no "Cup" holders. Super size or otherwise.
Rob LaMoreaux is trying to measure the luggage capacity of his Elan -v-
his Corvette
65 Lotus was hurt in a bizarre "Gas tank" welding experiment
ardee_slby is trapped by defective door stays
Brian Goodison is still perplexed by his gearbox
Briggs Pletcher is looking for a windshield
***@***.*** in Africa or someplace.
e s is playing at a re-wire.
Edwards Ray, is gluing a model Elan together
elanspring71 is struggling with his bad back.
Ian Phillips is attempting to measure the tensile strength of 1960's
1/4" bolts. (We want a graph)
Brian Gush is trying to get an S4 bonnet (hood) to fit an S2..........
eFFing Ian is gazing a grazing sheep.
Trevor can't get his starter to start.
Gareth is busy changing his wheels.
Scott potter's looking for a grommet
Sean murray's got 5 speeds and a squeak
William "kip" king can't get his dipping stick to seal
&
<Drum roll>
At the end of the alphabetical list.....
Zuckerman tells us that "Land Rover is owned by Ford."
Get out more Zuckerman!
Paul <Needs a new hobby> Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 22:46
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colin's quotes
Good thinking Ian, but too technical for me. I am still thinking about
where
the UK bus industry would be today if Lotus had made buses.
BTW, where is everybody? us CLOGs seem to have taken over this group
tonight, well in a small way.
Ian P
mountain roads.
Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
Bob Metz is parked at a drive through trying to explain why his car has
no "Cup" holders. Super size or otherwise.
Rob LaMoreaux is trying to measure the luggage capacity of his Elan -v-
his Corvette
65 Lotus was hurt in a bizarre "Gas tank" welding experiment
ardee_slby is trapped by defective door stays
Brian Goodison is still perplexed by his gearbox
Briggs Pletcher is looking for a windshield
***@***.*** in Africa or someplace.
e s is playing at a re-wire.
Edwards Ray, is gluing a model Elan together
elanspring71 is struggling with his bad back.
Ian Phillips is attempting to measure the tensile strength of 1960's
1/4" bolts. (We want a graph)
Brian Gush is trying to get an S4 bonnet (hood) to fit an S2..........
eFFing Ian is gazing a grazing sheep.
Trevor can't get his starter to start.
Gareth is busy changing his wheels.
Scott potter's looking for a grommet
Sean murray's got 5 speeds and a squeak
William "kip" king can't get his dipping stick to seal
&
<Drum roll>
At the end of the alphabetical list.....
Zuckerman tells us that "Land Rover is owned by Ford."
Get out more Zuckerman!
Paul <Needs a new hobby> Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 22:46
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colin's quotes
Good thinking Ian, but too technical for me. I am still thinking about
where
the UK bus industry would be today if Lotus had made buses.
BTW, where is everybody? us CLOGs seem to have taken over this group
tonight, well in a small way.
Ian P
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...And Paul Adamson DEFINITELY has too much time on his hands!
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Adamson [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 11 February 2005 01:43 AM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colin's quotes
Maybe the rest of the LotusElan.net are out driving along winding mountain
roads. Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
Bob Metz is parked at a drive through trying to explain why his car has no
"Cup" holders. Super size or otherwise. Rob LaMoreaux is trying to measure
the luggage capacity of his Elan -v- his Corvette 65 Lotus was hurt in a
bizarre "Gas tank" welding experiment ardee_slby is trapped by defective
door stays Brian Goodison is still perplexed by his gearbox Briggs Pletcher
is looking for a windshield ***@***.*** in Africa or someplace. e
s is playing at a re-wire. Edwards Ray, is gluing a model Elan together
elanspring71 is struggling with his bad back. Ian Phillips is attempting to
measure the tensile strength of 1960's 1/4" bolts. (We want a graph) Brian
Gush is trying to get an S4 bonnet (hood) to fit an S2.......... eFFing Ian
is gazing a grazing sheep. Trevor can't get his starter to start. Gareth is
busy changing his wheels. Scott potter's looking for a grommet Sean murray's
got 5 speeds and a squeak William "kip" king can't get his dipping stick to
seal & <Drum roll> At the end of the alphabetical list..... Zuckerman tells
us that "Land Rover is owned by Ford."
Get out more Zuckerman!
Paul <Needs a new hobby> Adamson.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Adamson [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 11 February 2005 01:43 AM
To: ***@***.***
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colin's quotes
Maybe the rest of the LotusElan.net are out driving along winding mountain
roads. Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
Bob Metz is parked at a drive through trying to explain why his car has no
"Cup" holders. Super size or otherwise. Rob LaMoreaux is trying to measure
the luggage capacity of his Elan -v- his Corvette 65 Lotus was hurt in a
bizarre "Gas tank" welding experiment ardee_slby is trapped by defective
door stays Brian Goodison is still perplexed by his gearbox Briggs Pletcher
is looking for a windshield ***@***.*** in Africa or someplace. e
s is playing at a re-wire. Edwards Ray, is gluing a model Elan together
elanspring71 is struggling with his bad back. Ian Phillips is attempting to
measure the tensile strength of 1960's 1/4" bolts. (We want a graph) Brian
Gush is trying to get an S4 bonnet (hood) to fit an S2.......... eFFing Ian
is gazing a grazing sheep. Trevor can't get his starter to start. Gareth is
busy changing his wheels. Scott potter's looking for a grommet Sean murray's
got 5 speeds and a squeak William "kip" king can't get his dipping stick to
seal & <Drum roll> At the end of the alphabetical list..... Zuckerman tells
us that "Land Rover is owned by Ford."
Get out more Zuckerman!
Paul <Needs a new hobby> Adamson.
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And i'm busy trying to fit my five speeder(saving 14lbs and with the gear lever 1" further back
John
Paul Adamson <***@***.***> wrote:
Maybe the rest of the LotusElan.net are out driving along winding
mountain roads.
Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
John
Paul Adamson <***@***.***> wrote:
Maybe the rest of the LotusElan.net are out driving along winding
mountain roads.
Leaving a trail of Porches and BWM's in their oily tracks.
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Then there are off course Dinky Toys and Matchbox double decker buses as well.....
Arno
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Adamson
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
I've not heard that quoted before.
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
CopyrightC LotusElan.net and the author:
Arno
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Adamson
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
I've not heard that quoted before.
What do you thing the chances are or it being true?
I wonder what a double decker bus weighs?
I'd guess at 14560 kg
Now over to you Mr Phillips would a 1/4" suffice?
Paul (no idea on this one) Adamson.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by
the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has
anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
CopyrightC LotusElan.net and the author:
- Arno Church
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In accordance with the British Standards which have now been adopted
into the BS-EN fraternity (ie nicked by Brusseles) the steel is in 3
grades, that were in the 60's, grade 43, 50 and 55 now know in
accordance with europe as S275, S355 and S460 and to complicate things
even further there are two sub grades ie 4.6 and 8.8.....why they
changed it us Brits still don?t know....ah well.....
Anyway.....generally the shear capacity of a 6mm bolt is 66.25kN
(6.52ton)...bearing capacity 69kN(6.79ton)...tensile capacity 39.75kN
(3.91ton)
10N = 1kg.....1kN = 100kg therefore shear is 6625kg bearing is 6900kg
tensile is 3975kg.....
It now just depends on the size and weight of your bus......
Are we going into the european truck racing scene????
Cheers
G
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
into the BS-EN fraternity (ie nicked by Brusseles) the steel is in 3
grades, that were in the 60's, grade 43, 50 and 55 now know in
accordance with europe as S275, S355 and S460 and to complicate things
even further there are two sub grades ie 4.6 and 8.8.....why they
changed it us Brits still don?t know....ah well.....
Anyway.....generally the shear capacity of a 6mm bolt is 66.25kN
(6.52ton)...bearing capacity 69kN(6.79ton)...tensile capacity 39.75kN
(3.91ton)
10N = 1kg.....1kN = 100kg therefore shear is 6625kg bearing is 6900kg
tensile is 3975kg.....
It now just depends on the size and weight of your bus......
Are we going into the european truck racing scene????
Cheers
G
-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Phillips [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 10 February 2005 21:36
To: ***@***.***
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
In this months MEW magazine (Model Engineers Workshop) there is a
comment by the editor to a readers letter.
'On the general subject of strength of bolts, I like to keep in mind the
comment made by the late Colin Chapman "You can hang a double decker bus
from a 1/4" bolt" <snip>
I am sure Colin said many things, this is one I have not heard before,
has anyone else come across it?
Ian Phillips
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Present on the buses includes
Stan, Jack, Blakey, Olive, Arthur, Mum and several others.....although
possibly not all at the same time
Cheers
G
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Waterworth [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 11 February 2005 16:23
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
Does this include the passengers, driver and conductor? Ding, ding move
along please, there's plenty of room on top.
Gareth Flanagan wrote:
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Regards,
Steve Waterworth
***@***.***
Einstein: "The faster you drive, the slower you age..."
Stan, Jack, Blakey, Olive, Arthur, Mum and several others.....although
possibly not all at the same time
Cheers
G
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Waterworth [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 11 February 2005 16:23
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] Colins quotes
Does this include the passengers, driver and conductor? Ding, ding move
along please, there's plenty of room on top.
Gareth Flanagan wrote:
--
Regards,
Steve Waterworth
***@***.***
Einstein: "The faster you drive, the slower you age..."
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