Lotus Elan

Spyder, et al.

PostPost by: poiuyt » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:22 pm

For that matter, the Elan really has a Ford engine - only the head is
changed. And mine has Jaguar (I think) tail lights, etc.....

Steve B
69 S4


--- In ***@***.***, "d0ntdreamit" <[email protected]> >
As a non lotus owner, I ask the question, "isn't having a toyota
motor in a lotus elise heresy?"

Elans? Well who could fault the car(s) that were in "Basic
Instinct".

--- In ***@***.***, "Michael Geiger"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> But, the White House "LOOKS" the same. They did not replace the
> fireplaces with A/C ducts. Open the hood(bonnet) of an Elan with
a
> Zetec engine and it does not look the same as with a twincam. A
> Spyder does not look the same as a Lotus chassis. I think it
will

> always come down to "At what point is it no longer the originally
> manufactured car?" IF the only criteria is, looks and handles
like a
> Lotus Elan... then one can loosely call a Miata a Lotus Elan.
>
> Putting on my Nomex suit :-0
>
> Mike Geiger.
> --- In ***@***.***, "Richard A. Boyd"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > During the Harry Truman's presidency (1945-1952), the White
House
> was
> > "restored." The interior was completely gutted, after carefully
> removing
> > everything (fireplace mantles, etc.). Only the exterior walls
> remained. All
> > interior items were photographed, cataloged, and labelled for
later
> > replacement in exactly the same (historic) location. Does this
> sound
> > familiar (i.e., your Elan restoration)?
> >
> > A new framework for the White House was fabricated inside the
old
> exterior
> > walls. A steel girder framework, quite unlike the original
wooden
> one, was
> > used. Better, no doubt, but not original. New interior walls,
> floors,
> > ceilings, etc. were constructed to exactly match the original
> layout: all
> > dimensions were replicated, along with the original "look and
> feel." Then
> > all the interior bits were replaced in the "correct" location.
Of
> course,
> > all the wiring was replaced, along with the electrical
fixtures.

> > Alternators, anyone? New plumbing too.
> >
> > The White House restoration took four years. Some have finished
> their Elan
> > is less time, some take much longer. At least an Elan
restoration
> will cost
> > less - I think?
> >
> > Does the Spyder chassis installed in the White House make it
any

> less The
> > White House?
> >
> > Rich Boyd
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PostPost by: poiuyt » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:29 pm

I agree 100%. When the Elan was designed most sports cars had solid
axles, leaf springs, pushrod engines, drum brakes, and weighed 2000
pounds plus.

I was at a British car weekend at Lime Rock this past June with the
MG Car Club - Long Island Center. We were lined up for some parade
laps when one of the LEO folks came over ans told me tha all of the
other cars in the lineup (MG, Triumph, Morgan, etc.) were "junk"
compared to my S4.

The Elan was way ahead of it's time.

--- In ***@***.***, "nebogipfel2004"
<[email protected]> wrote:

--- In ***@***.***, "elansprint71" <[email protected]>
wrote:
"I can tell you something that handles better than a '72 Elan- a '72
Elan with Spyder chassis, Spyder twin wishbone rear suspension,
Minilite wheels and 165 x 70 tyres. Trust me. ;-0"


Just to keep the fires burning ............. My '72 Sprint drove and
handled like a charm in '76 totally original on tiny little 155X13
Dunlop SP Sports. It would out perform, out corner and out brake
nearly anything else on the roads at the time and it was by far the
quietest and most comfortable small sports car you could buy, in
fact

it was more comfortable than some saloons. Just read the
enthusiastic

road tests of the day.

The Elan is a design classic and I would argue one of the most
innovative cars ever built. I think sometimes it is easy to forget
just how significant a car it was and is. I think it is a mistake 40
years on to think we can improve it.


My two cents worth ;))

John
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PostPost by: poiuyt » Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:39 pm

Why do you need 170 HP in this car? The original 110 or so is plenty
and results in longer lasting (horrors) Rotoflex joints, axles, and
all of the other parts that seem to fail in my reading this list.

I will go along with the electrical upgrades - anything that makes
the car more reliable is worth while.

My VW GTI VR6 has 172 HP and could be upgraded to well over 200.
However, it is fast enough and still reliable after 185,000 miles.
I've upgraded the suspension, wheels and tires to improve handling,
but had I made the engine upgrades I probably would not be running
the original clutch, CV joints, transmission, etc.

My S4 has the Twin Cam, although re-built, and will be kept as
original as possible in keeping with the goal of it being reliable.
I have installed the Dave Bean water pump modification, electric fan
toward this goal. As with the GTI, it's fast enough!

Steve B
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96 GTI-Vr6
78 Fiat X1/9



--- In ***@***.***, "Rohan Hodges" <[email protected]> wrote:

You can improve an Elan both without butchering it and without
making

it look radically different so that it keeps up with the last 40
years in automotive technology development while still retaining
all

the inherent character of the orginal car.

eg
You can get a reliable 170 plus road useable hp with a 1760 tall
block and careful internal engine mods with an engine that is
externally identical and this is enough in a 700 kg car to blow
away

anything on the road just an the orginal elan did 40 years ago

You can fit an alternator ( Lucas 17 or 18 ACR, it was an option on
the S4 / Sprints and standard on Plus2S 130)

You can reinforce the original chassis in the few small areas where
it bends or cracks

You can fit modern sticky tyres of 165 width and springs and shocks
to match to give it as good or better handling than an Elise.

You can fit bolt on CV joints to get rid of the donut problems
forever.

None of these changes detract from the originality of the car
unless

you are a big C concours judge or you like lying under the car
admiring your donuts, but they turn it into a car that is still the
best sports car on the road 40 years later. It really only suffers
in

2 areas in comparision to something like an Elise which is its
closest modern equivalent

- modern electronic engine management makes starting and drive away
from cold so much simpler and easier in all weather conditions
- modern crash worthiness design standards makes you a lot more
likely to survive a big crash.

Rohan
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PostPost by: frearther » Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:55 pm

<None of these changes detract from the originality of the car unless
you are a big C concours judge or you like lying under the car
admiring your donuts> (italics added)

I do it all the time!!! Oh, you said DOnuts. Sorry.

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PostPost by: rgh0 » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:45 pm

No you dont NEED 170 hp in an Elan, though it is nice to be able to
outrun Golf V6's. I was just trying to make the point that you dont
have to drop in a Zetec to get HP that keeps up with the autmotive
developments over the last 40 years if thats what you want.

Everyone has their own opinion as to whats the right way to build an
improved Elan. Even building an original Elan leads to lots of debate
as the factory had different opinions of original on each car they
built !!

All I say is build it to your own needs be it Concours originality or
road performance or road reliability or racetrack perfomance. But in
doing it you dont need to chop the car about or change its orginal
character because all these needs can be met with the basic original
car and the car can still look and feel like the classic it is.

My wife thinks I am nuts for the amount of time I spend lying under
the Lotus.

Rohan
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PostPost by: poiuyt » Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:37 pm

--- In ***@***.***, "Rohan Hodges" <[email protected]> wrote:

My wife thinks I am nuts for the amount of time I spend lying under
the Lotus.

Rohan


Pity - my wife changed the last motor mount herself. Between the
ramps and the jack she was the only one of us who could fit under the
car.

Steve B.
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PostPost by: "elj221c" » Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:27 pm

Les,
Best be carefull what you say about 'Bosses'!
Mine much prefers the Twin Cam as a passenger as it always sends her
to sleep. Great for me too as she then doesn't criticise my driving!
She also had no problems mastering no choke cold starts with the
Webbers or rotoflex 'wind-up'. She was just a bit concerned what I
would say if she ever crashed it.
She still reminds me that it was her that positioned the engine crane
to a 'T' at the end of the last rebuild.
And she has let me keep it for 30 years this March!
Roy
'65S2
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PostPost by: lotuselanman » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:10 am

Gidday Roy,
Like your reply nearly as much as your boss must love you. My 'boss' also know as Jean referred to by me in print by me as SWINO, She who is never obeyed is a gem but for my sake never quote this.
We met in New Zealand many moons ago, after the usual wooing period I decided to put her to the test. Scrutineering on Friday pm, Saturday we went to Motor Racing, Saturday evening it was to the Speedway and to clinch the test on Sunday after Mass , Church, Tabernacle we went to a Hillclmb. Passed the test with flying colours. So when Jean proposed to me I did not hesitate.
Seriously it take two to Tango and the support a wife gives is immeasurable, so after 36 years the support is still there after 30 years of Lotus Cortina ownership and oh there was the Kart racing and the Speedway and some Drags.
A gem surely but please, never reveal this in print.
See ya, Les
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Les,
Best be carefull what you say about 'Bosses'!
Mine much prefers the Twin Cam as a passenger as it always sends her
to sleep. Great for me too as she then doesn't criticise my driving!
She also had no problems mastering no choke cold starts with the
Webbers or rotoflex 'wind-up'. She was just a bit concerned what I
would say if she ever crashed it.
She still reminds me that it was her that positioned the engine crane
to a 'T' at the end of the last rebuild.
And she has let me keep it for 30 years this March!
Roy
'65S2








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