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New Dash for '70 Elan S4

PostPost by: "collins_dan2000&quo » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:26 pm

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has a
couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan
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PostPost by: pamitchell » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:36 pm

Dan;

Do a Google search for Prestige Autowood in San Jose CA. Randy Keller
is the owner and does great work. I visited his shop and he has
patterns for all Lotus and other English cars.
(no relationship with this company etc.etc...)
Rgds,
Phil

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<[email protected]> wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has
a

couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan
Phil
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PostPost by: lotuselan2 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:19 am

Dan
I think a Plus 2 dash and an Elan have considerably different dashes. Here
is an idea for you. The Plus 2 dash is 16 or 18" high. Trees are no longer
made in that diameter. However, my dash is SOLID walnut, no veneer at all.
I had a top end lumber yard select planks of 1/2" walnut and glue them side
to side. The glue is as strong as the wood. After glue sat overnight they
planed one side to completely level. I made a 100% template in cardboard of
the dash I wanted; very unoriginal as I moved the radio slot to the glove
box location to put in a modern head unit. Although I have never done any
woodworking I bought hole cutters and a scroll saw (good birthday presents
from your spouse!). I made a gorgeous dash. Holes cut wonderfully. I laid
about 30 coats of clear lacquer on it with fine sanding every few coats.

Result: a dash I am proud of. Looks great.

Your choice, buy or do it yourself.
Ken
'69 +2 with BDR

p.s. originality is not my intention!
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PostPost by: Rob_LaMoreaux » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:02 pm

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer
has a couple of missing bits in addition to overall very
cracked appearance.



Prestige is very good.

You can replace the veneer yourself like I did. It isn't that hard, since my
veneer was practically falling off. I bought some paper backed veneer and
used good all-weather contact cement and good spar polyurethane all weather
varnish. 5 years later it is still looking great.
Also, is there anyway to figure out what
the car's original paint color was? Thanks. Dan



You can email the archivist at Lotus with the VIN number and he will tell
you what it is. Also the guy at Sports Car world might have the info in his
archive. See the list archives or LotusElan.Net for the email addresses,
since I can't remember them.





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PostPost by: "denicholls2" » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:04 pm

Hi Ken,

You are to be forgiven as an inexperienced woodworker, but
unfortunately your dash is probably not superior to the original.
Particularly where the dash is a potentially a structural element, as
has been argued to death on the Europa site, plywood is superior to
solid hardwood. It is more size and warp-stable with temperature and
humidity variations and has roughly equal strength in both
dimensions, which the original tree definitely does not.

Baltic Birch is the highest quality plywood, and comes with a birch
hardwood surface suitable for staining to mimic many more expensive
woods. Or, walnut or other veneer is easily obtained and applied.
Note that because veneer is "peeled" circumferentially off a spinning
log, it is not constrained by the diameter of the tree (well, not in
the dimensions we're speaking of, at least!)

I hope your dash holds up well Ken, and the jointed construction will
certainly be more warp-stable than a single piece would. You are
fortunate they don't make trees that big; jointed construction is the
norm for furniture panels over 12" not because of the rareness of old-
growth timber but because of stability problems.

The available replacements are indeed beautifully crafted, but the
prices I've heard are well out of proportion to the task of
refinishing the plywood original yourself, and deny you the attendant
benefit of pride in workmanship. In most cases, delaminating veneer
can be accomplished with a dry iron. Re-veneering is a simple task,
and finishing is relatively simple though time-consuming and not for
the impatient. Provided the original plywood is reusable, your
materials cost should be under $20. If the plywood is toast, get
some Baltic Birch, use the original as a pattern, and make a new one
for about double that. While you're at it, make a few more -- seems
people are always looking for them. Baltic Birch comes in 5'x5'
sheets, so one piece makes 4-5 dashes. When I get around to redoing
my Europa's fascia, I'll probably make several and offer them.

-- Doug Nicholls, 54/1822


--- In ***@***.***, "lotus" <[email protected]> wrote:
Dan
I think a Plus 2 dash and an Elan have considerably different
dashes. Here

is an idea for you. The Plus 2 dash is 16 or 18" high. Trees are
no longer

made in that diameter. However, my dash is SOLID walnut, no veneer
at all.

I had a top end lumber yard select planks of 1/2" walnut and glue
them side

to side. The glue is as strong as the wood. After glue sat
overnight they

planed one side to completely level. I made a 100% template in
cardboard of

the dash I wanted; very unoriginal as I moved the radio slot to the
glove

box location to put in a modern head unit. Although I have never
done any

woodworking I bought hole cutters and a scroll saw (good birthday
presents

from your spouse!). I made a gorgeous dash. Holes cut
wonderfully. I laid

about 30 coats of clear lacquer on it with fine sanding every few
coats.


Result: a dash I am proud of. Looks great.

Your choice, buy or do it yourself.
Ken
'69 +2 with BDR

p.s. originality is not my intention!



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PostPost by: grat » Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:28 pm

On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 09:26:37PM -0000, collins_dan2000 wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has a
couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance.

Dave Bean sells them, they are new construction made locally
(I assume): marine plywood with walnut veneer. They aren't cheap the
S4/Sprint goes for $435. They also don't seem to have; at least from
the pics, the original silk-screening labeling, just plain wood
finish. I haven't seen one personally so can't speak to looks/fit/etc
only the source.

As others suggest, if you are so inclined making your own
wouldn't be that difficult if your original is intact enough to make
a pattern from. The above construction would be a good method as it
would be more stable and less likely to check/crack with
heat/cold/weather.

Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's original paint
color was?

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PostPost by: dlbarnes1 » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:32 pm

Prestige Autowood may not have a website. Their phone is (408) 370 3705. Fax is (408) 288 8763.
David - 72 Sprint DHC
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Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: New Dash for '70 Elan S4



Dan;

Do a Google search for Prestige Autowood in San Jose CA. Randy Keller
is the owner and does great work. I visited his shop and he has
patterns for all Lotus and other English cars.
(no relationship with this company etc.etc...)
Rgds,
Phil

--- In ***@***.***, "collins_dan2000"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has
a

couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan








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PostPost by: tvacc » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:47 pm

Prestige made a dash for me about 12 years ago.still looking fine.



As I recall.the S4 cars..(like my Sprint) did not have lettered switches.at
least my did not..and the dash was original..



By the way.has anyone seen my Red Elan Sprint on a flat bed..coming from
Kansas City .through Louisville up to Buffalo. I assume the driver is
taking interstate 71. There is also a red MIata on board the flatbed.







Tony V



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Prestige Autowood may not have a website. Their phone is (408) 370 3705. Fax
is (408) 288 8763.
David - 72 Sprint DHC
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Mitchell
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: [LotusElan.net] Re: New Dash for '70 Elan S4



Dan;

Do a Google search for Prestige Autowood in San Jose CA. Randy Keller
is the owner and does great work. I visited his shop and he has
patterns for all Lotus and other English cars.
(no relationship with this company etc.etc...)
Rgds,
Phil

--- In ***@***.***, "collins_dan2000"
<[email protected]> wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has
a

couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan








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PostPost by: poiuyt » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:29 pm

Prestige Autowood!

I just got off the phone with Randy today - the dash for my 1969 S4
is being shipped as this is written.

I'll post a photo as soon as it arrives and I can get the film
developed.

Steve B.


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<[email protected]> wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has a
couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan
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PostPost by: poiuyt » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:37 pm

The dash for an Elan S4 is approximately 40 inches wide and 24 high
(the center panel is a structural piece and the dash should be made
from one piece of plywood. It may be moot, but you can only get two
from a 5' X5" piece.

Steve B.

--- In ***@***.***, "denicholls2" <[email protected]>
wrote:

Hi Ken,

You are to be forgiven as an inexperienced woodworker, but
unfortunately your dash is probably not superior to the original.
Particularly where the dash is a potentially a structural element,
as

has been argued to death on the Europa site, plywood is superior to
solid hardwood. It is more size and warp-stable with temperature
and

humidity variations and has roughly equal strength in both
dimensions, which the original tree definitely does not.

Baltic Birch is the highest quality plywood, and comes with a birch
hardwood surface suitable for staining to mimic many more expensive
woods. Or, walnut or other veneer is easily obtained and applied.
Note that because veneer is "peeled" circumferentially off a
spinning

log, it is not constrained by the diameter of the tree (well, not
in

the dimensions we're speaking of, at least!)

I hope your dash holds up well Ken, and the jointed construction
will

certainly be more warp-stable than a single piece would. You are
fortunate they don't make trees that big; jointed construction is
the

norm for furniture panels over 12" not because of the rareness of
old-

growth timber but because of stability problems.

The available replacements are indeed beautifully crafted, but the
prices I've heard are well out of proportion to the task of
refinishing the plywood original yourself, and deny you the
attendant

benefit of pride in workmanship. In most cases, delaminating
veneer

can be accomplished with a dry iron. Re-veneering is a simple
task,

and finishing is relatively simple though time-consuming and not
for

the impatient. Provided the original plywood is reusable, your
materials cost should be under $20. If the plywood is toast, get
some Baltic Birch, use the original as a pattern, and make a new
one

for about double that. While you're at it, make a few more --
seems

people are always looking for them. Baltic Birch comes in 5'x5'
sheets, so one piece makes 4-5 dashes. When I get around to
redoing

my Europa's fascia, I'll probably make several and offer them.

-- Doug Nicholls, 54/1822


--- In ***@***.***, "lotus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dan
> I think a Plus 2 dash and an Elan have considerably different
dashes. Here
> is an idea for you. The Plus 2 dash is 16 or 18" high. Trees
are

no longer
> made in that diameter. However, my dash is SOLID walnut, no
veneer

at all.
> I had a top end lumber yard select planks of 1/2" walnut and glue
them side
> to side. The glue is as strong as the wood. After glue sat
overnight they
> planed one side to completely level. I made a 100% template in
cardboard of
> the dash I wanted; very unoriginal as I moved the radio slot to
the

glove
> box location to put in a modern head unit. Although I have never
done any
> woodworking I bought hole cutters and a scroll saw (good birthday
presents
> from your spouse!). I made a gorgeous dash. Holes cut
wonderfully. I laid
> about 30 coats of clear lacquer on it with fine sanding every few
coats.
>
> Result: a dash I am proud of. Looks great.
>
> Your choice, buy or do it yourself.
> Ken
> '69 +2 with BDR
>
> p.s. originality is not my intention!
>
>
>
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PostPost by: poiuyt » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:38 pm

Make that 5' X 5'.

Steve B

--- In ***@***.***, "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:

The dash for an Elan S4 is approximately 40 inches wide and 24 high
(the center panel is a structural piece and the dash should be made
from one piece of plywood. It may be moot, but you can only get
two

from a 5' X5" piece.

Steve B.

--- In ***@***.***, "denicholls2" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> You are to be forgiven as an inexperienced woodworker, but
> unfortunately your dash is probably not superior to the
original.

> Particularly where the dash is a potentially a structural
element,

as
> has been argued to death on the Europa site, plywood is superior
to

> solid hardwood. It is more size and warp-stable with temperature
and
> humidity variations and has roughly equal strength in both
> dimensions, which the original tree definitely does not.
>
> Baltic Birch is the highest quality plywood, and comes with a
birch

> hardwood surface suitable for staining to mimic many more
expensive

> woods. Or, walnut or other veneer is easily obtained and
applied.

> Note that because veneer is "peeled" circumferentially off a
spinning
> log, it is not constrained by the diameter of the tree (well, not
in
> the dimensions we're speaking of, at least!)
>
> I hope your dash holds up well Ken, and the jointed construction
will
> certainly be more warp-stable than a single piece would. You are
> fortunate they don't make trees that big; jointed construction is
the
> norm for furniture panels over 12" not because of the rareness of
old-
> growth timber but because of stability problems.
>
> The available replacements are indeed beautifully crafted, but
the

> prices I've heard are well out of proportion to the task of
> refinishing the plywood original yourself, and deny you the
attendant
> benefit of pride in workmanship. In most cases, delaminating
veneer
> can be accomplished with a dry iron. Re-veneering is a simple
task,
> and finishing is relatively simple though time-consuming and not
for
> the impatient. Provided the original plywood is reusable, your
> materials cost should be under $20. If the plywood is toast, get
> some Baltic Birch, use the original as a pattern, and make a new
one
> for about double that. While you're at it, make a few more --
seems
> people are always looking for them. Baltic Birch comes in 5'x5'
> sheets, so one piece makes 4-5 dashes. When I get around to
redoing
> my Europa's fascia, I'll probably make several and offer them.
>
> -- Doug Nicholls, 54/1822
>
>
> --- In ***@***.***, "lotus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dan
> > I think a Plus 2 dash and an Elan have considerably different
> dashes. Here
> > is an idea for you. The Plus 2 dash is 16 or 18" high. Trees
are
> no longer
> > made in that diameter. However, my dash is SOLID walnut, no
veneer
> at all.
> > I had a top end lumber yard select planks of 1/2" walnut and
glue

> them side
> > to side. The glue is as strong as the wood. After glue sat
> overnight they
> > planed one side to completely level. I made a 100% template in
> cardboard of
> > the dash I wanted; very unoriginal as I moved the radio slot to
the
> glove
> > box location to put in a modern head unit. Although I have
never

> done any
> > woodworking I bought hole cutters and a scroll saw (good
birthday

> presents
> > from your spouse!). I made a gorgeous dash. Holes cut
> wonderfully. I laid
> > about 30 coats of clear lacquer on it with fine sanding every
few

> coats.
> >
> > Result: a dash I am proud of. Looks great.
> >
> > Your choice, buy or do it yourself.
> > Ken
> > '69 +2 with BDR
> >
> > p.s. originality is not my intention!
> >
> >
> >
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PostPost by: "niallfeldman" » Fri Oct 22, 2004 10:58 pm

These people make nice dashes in the UK.

http://www.classical-dash.co.uk/

The site takes a while to load, so give it time.

Cheers,

Niall

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<[email protected]> wrote:

Where can I get a new wood dash for a '70 Elan S4? The veneer has a
couple of missing bits in addition to overall very cracked
appearance. Also, is there anyway to figure out what the car's
original paint color was? Thanks. Dan
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PostPost by: lotuselan2 » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:42 am

Doug
I have never been a woodworker and this was a first project for the
learning. What I learned was how nice it is to work with a GOOD piece of
wood. It cuts nice, it drills nice, it never wants to split or crack. I
just would not expect the same from plywood, but maybe your birch wood be
better than the run-of-the-sawmill stuff I am used to.

Key element of my execution was putting things where I wanted them, like a
radio hole that will fit a modern radio.

I made one error. I put the key switch on a seam too close to an edge.
That seam split but it was easily repaired with a patch on the back side to
reinforce the seam.

Next one will be better!!
Ken
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