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F1 calendar....for anyone interested

PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:56 am

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)

24 April San Marino (subject to contract)

8 May Spain

22 May Monaco

TBC Europe

12 June Canada

TBC USA

3 July Britain (subject to contract)

17 July Germany

31 July Hungary

21 August Turkey

4 September Italy

11 September Belgium

25 September Brazil

9 October Japan

TBC China
"Gareth Flanagan&quo
 

PostPost by: richboyd » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:06 pm

OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post - not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,
manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)
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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:11 pm

Rich,
Maybe some of the teams use Lotus software in the computer thingies that drive the cars round and round one behind the other without overtaking. Yawnnnnn.

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Boyd
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post - not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,
manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)







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PostPost by: "Simpson, Karl" » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:16 pm

None at Jordan where I work other than my Elan and another's Esprit.

However the Lotus inspiration would not go amiss at the moment!

Karl

S4 FHC SE

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Boyd [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:08
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested



OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post - not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,
manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)








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PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:22 pm

OK Pete
I know F1 is one of the more uninteresting sports of the past few years
and that moto gp, ALM, DTM, BTCC are all better but you?ve just got to
keep watching for 2 reasons just incase the red boys make an @rse of
it.....
I found stowe corner at the 1999 GB Silverstone GP most funny as that
german crashed right infront of me.......and cant wait for JB to win
one!!!
Ah but that?s just me....although I have certainly lost the passion for
it over the past 4 or 5 years......its just not the same...especially
when that hilter in charge is just adamant at getting as much cash out
of it all as possible......thanks.....rant over.......oh I do feel
better.....
Cheers
G

-----Original Message-----
From: elansprint71 [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:13
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


Rich,
Maybe some of the teams use Lotus software in the computer thingies that
drive the cars round and round one behind the other without overtaking.
Yawnnnnn.

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Boyd
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions
about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The
strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post -
not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious
question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,

manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between
current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)







To search the mailing list archives:
http://www.escribe.com/automotive/europ ... index.html
"Gareth Flanagan&quo
 

PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:30 pm

I think the vernier callipers ACBC used on Emmo's 72 are on the wall in
Adrian Newey's office.....LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Boyd [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:08
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions about

benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The
strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post - not
to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious question:

Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,
manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between current
F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)








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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:42 pm

Gareth,
You described F1 as a "sport", which is where I have the problem. I see it as just a part of the advertising business these days; this would not be sobad if it were not just so totally boring; and this is not just because ofSchumy, actually he is probably the most complete racing driver since Jim Clark (think about that before coming back at me with Senna!).
Here is where I start to sound like my Granddad: when I were a lad, GP races lasted about 2.5 hours, there were grids of twice as many cars as today, four cars wide; there was overtaking, hardly any bad driving (because if you went off you would maybe die), and.... the drivers jumped out of the GP car and into saloons, F2, F3 or whatever else was in the next race.

Cheers,
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Gareth Flanagan
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK Pete
I know F1 is one of the more uninteresting sports of the past few years
and that moto gp, ALM, DTM, BTCC are all better but you've just got to
keep watching for 2 reasons just incase the red boys make an @rse of
it.....
I found stowe corner at the 1999 GB Silverstone GP most funny as that
german crashed right infront of me.......and cant wait for JB to win
one!!!
Ah but that's just me....although I have certainly lost the passion for
it over the past 4 or 5 years......its just not the same...especially
when that hilter in charge is just adamant at getting as much cash out
of it all as possible......thanks.....rant over.......oh I do feel
better.....
Cheers
G

-----Original Message-----
From: elansprint71 [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:13
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


Rich,
Maybe some of the teams use Lotus software in the computer thingies that
drive the cars round and round one behind the other without overtaking.
Yawnnnnn.

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Boyd
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions
about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The
strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post -
not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious
question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or components,

manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between
current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)







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PostPost by: "Gareth Flanagan&quo » Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:49 pm

I completely agree with all that (well except the schumy bit)...but I'd
love to see them bring back the days of actually driving rather than
being a passenger in a bullet.....MS is one of the worst..refusing to
talk to anyone or drive anything unless you line his pockets
considerably.....in the days of gentleman jim it was about the
racing....
Ta
G

-----Original Message-----
From: elansprint71 [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:42
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


Gareth,
You described F1 as a "sport", which is where I have the problem. I see
it as just a part of the advertising business these days; this would not
be so bad if it were not just so totally boring; and this is not just
because of Schumy, actually he is probably the most complete racing
driver since Jim Clark (think about that before coming back at me with
Senna!).
Here is where I start to sound like my Granddad: when I were a lad, GP
races lasted about 2.5 hours, there were grids of twice as many cars as
today, four cars wide; there was overtaking, hardly any bad driving
(because if you went off you would maybe die), and.... the drivers
jumped out of the GP car and into saloons, F2, F3 or whatever else was
in the next race.

Cheers,
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Gareth Flanagan
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK Pete
I know F1 is one of the more uninteresting sports of the past few
years
and that moto gp, ALM, DTM, BTCC are all better but you've just got to
keep watching for 2 reasons just incase the red boys make an @rse of
it.....
I found stowe corner at the 1999 GB Silverstone GP most funny as that
german crashed right infront of me.......and cant wait for JB to win
one!!!
Ah but that's just me....although I have certainly lost the passion
for
it over the past 4 or 5 years......its just not the same...especially
when that hilter in charge is just adamant at getting as much cash out
of it all as possible......thanks.....rant over.......oh I do feel
better.....
Cheers
G

-----Original Message-----
From: elansprint71 [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 14 October 2004 16:13
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


Rich,
Maybe some of the teams use Lotus software in the computer thingies
that
drive the cars round and round one behind the other without
overtaking.
Yawnnnnn.

Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Boyd
To: ***@***.***
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested


OK, placing Lotus parts on the bench (sort of) qualifies questions
about
benchtop material as having "Lotus content."
But Formula 1?? Is there any Lotus content in F1 today?

I'm not complaining about the F1 calendar post; I appreciate it. The
strong
and proud history of Lotus F1 competition makes this a valid post -
not to
mention the racing interests of many Lotus owners.

I am asking if Lotus has ANY input into F1 these days. Serious
question:
Does Lotus (or any Lotus descendent) design any systems or
components,

manage any team, etc.? Or is history the only connection between
current F1
and Lotus?

Rich Boyd

At 12:55 AM 10/14/2004, you wrote:

6 March Australia

20 March Malaysia

3 April Bahrain

17 April France (subject to contract)







To search the mailing list archives:
http://www.escribe.com/automotive/europ ... index.html
"Gareth Flanagan&quo
 

PostPost by: TYPE45 at aol.com » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:12 pm

These days, 30% of the field doesn't make it to the end of the race. There's
your Lotus content.

Frank Howard
'71 S4 SE
Minnesota
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PostPost by: "Fred Talmadge" » Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:30 pm

Unfortunately when they "bring the driving" back in, they get rid of the
technology and we end up with a quasi spec racer, aka NASCAR & IRL.

Fred T.
"Fred Talmadge"
 

PostPost by: poiuyt » Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:11 pm

Get rid of the aerodynamics, the wings, etc. Get rid of the traction
control.

Set basic rules, such as engine size (non-turbo only), minimum weight,
body length, width, track width and overall width.

Let everything else related to the suspension, mechanicals, etc be
free form.

This would increase technology where it counts: engine design,
suspension, etc.

And the driver would be more important. You'd see real drafting and
passing because they would not be worried aboul losing their
downforce.

Steve B.


--- In ***@***.***, "Fred Talmadge" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Unfortunately when they "bring the driving" back in, they get rid of
the

technology and we end up with a quasi spec racer, aka NASCAR & IRL.

Fred T.
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PostPost by: Tim Dafforn » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:49 am

I guess in some ways, if you wanted to be harsh (and taking into account
possible flames) many of the inovations on the F1 cars of today resulted
from work by Lotus (Wings, Ground effect, monocoque....) So we have to
be careful who we blame!
On a side note I have recently bought a bunch of old motorsport
magazines of Ebay (cheaper and more interesting then buying new copies).
The race reports of races in the '75 '76 and '78 seasons certainly make
it all seem much more interesting..
There are also some great comments on new Lotus designs as well as lots
of talk about the Ecclestone, even then!
Cheers
tim

Fred Talmadge wrote:

Unfortunately when they "bring the driving" back in, they get rid of the
technology and we end up with a quasi spec racer, aka NASCAR & IRL.

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PostPost by: gjz30075 » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:19 pm

--- In ***@***.***, "elansprint71" <[email protected]>
wrote:
is not just because of Schumy, actually he is probably the most
complete racing driver since Jim Clark (think about that before

coming back at me with Senna!).

Pete! I totally agree with everything you said about F1,
but 'complete' driver?? A complete driver is a Dan Gurney, Richie
Ginther, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, etc; those who also DROVE sports
cars, NASCAR, Prototypes, Saloons, etc and still managed to win in
all of them. Schuey? Lets see how good he really is by putting him
in top notch cars in other venues. And none of this IROC BS. Yeah,
I know, the logistics of today's contracts probably precludes this.
Yes, he'd probably win but I'd like to see it happen.

Greg Z
'72 Sprint
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PostPost by: davidallen » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:24 pm

Didn't he win at Le Man before joining F1?


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 15 October 2004 13:19
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested




--- In ***@***.***, "elansprint71" <[email protected]>
wrote:
is not just because of Schumy, actually he is probably the most
complete racing driver since Jim Clark (think about that before

coming back at me with Senna!).

Pete! I totally agree with everything you said about F1,
but 'complete' driver?? A complete driver is a Dan Gurney, Richie
Ginther, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, etc; those who also DROVE sports
cars, NASCAR, Prototypes, Saloons, etc and still managed to win in
all of them. Schuey? Lets see how good he really is by putting him
in top notch cars in other venues. And none of this IROC BS. Yeah,
I know, the logistics of today's contracts probably precludes this.
Yes, he'd probably win but I'd like to see it happen.

Greg Z
'72 Sprint









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PostPost by: elansprint71 » Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:43 pm

Thanks for the support, David, I didn't know he had won at LM but as I saidthink about it: karts, bikes, classic racers, all the tidally formulae to get to F1, rally cars, ice cars, just about everything that his contract allows him to have a go in. Oh, and football too!

Over to you chaps.........!

Pete
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To: ***@***.***
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested



Didn't he win at Le Man before joining F1?


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Zelazek [mailto:***@***.***
Sent: 15 October 2004 13:19
To: ***@***.***
Subject: Re: [LotusElan.net] F1 calendar....for anyone interested




--- In ***@***.***, "elansprint71" <[email protected]>
wrote:
is not just because of Schumy, actually he is probably the most
complete racing driver since Jim Clark (think about that before

coming back at me with Senna!).

Pete! I totally agree with everything you said about F1,
but 'complete' driver?? A complete driver is a Dan Gurney, Richie
Ginther, Jim Clark, Graham Hill, etc; those who also DROVE sports
cars, NASCAR, Prototypes, Saloons, etc and still managed to win in
all of them. Schuey? Lets see how good he really is by putting him
in top notch cars in other venues. And none of this IROC BS. Yeah,
I know, the logistics of today's contracts probably precludes this.
Yes, he'd probably win but I'd like to see it happen.

Greg Z
'72 Sprint









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